Well of course not, but then you have access to the plot of Oblivion, in game characters only have these records to go on. So an Altmer born in the 200 years since and raised under Thalmor rule might view their version of events as the truth and any other versions as the humans trying to make themselves out to be more important then they are.

Back on topic however, my point is that Vezrabuto's interpretation of the lore and how it affects his character is more important then either of ours, since it is his character. The lore is vague and contradictory enough that there is no right and wrong. Also as I pointed out earlier, just because we have access to all these books it doesn't mean the characters do. Not even Urag gro-Shub's library has a copy of every book, so just using those sources that support your interpretation is just as valid since the character may have only had access to those books and their view of the magic will be influenced by that.

Well i tried to be creative and that backfired.

Every source says something else. My way was wrong then right then wrong now i dont even know what i used at first because i feel insecure about my choices now. some sources say pure magical reanimation is possible others say its not then with the soul i read it has a power source or something and you use that. I dont even know if you use the same soul in older bodies since the link between body and soul dissapears after a few days, but what do you reanimate it with then? then some say its inherently corrupting to use. My Character is a Heavy Enchanting user but i dont even feel like thats okay anymore. some sources say you only use the energy(?) of the soul to Enchant and the rest just leaves but why couldnt a Necromancer only use the Energy part but instead has to use the entire soul. With the open Invitation thing its like Thorien said what soul would want that. i dont think a human soul would do it and a white soul wouldnt be strong enough to power a human.

Well i dont want to just use something because i think its right. i like to take in different opinions thats why ask alot of questions on here. but know that kinda shattered my own opinion about it since i basically took the inspiration from Classic RPG's and Real Life and blended them together into something that could work in TES. Now its just all of the place and i basically have no opinion on it now.

You aren't going to find a Right or Wrong in TES Lore, just various differing opinions. So the best you can do is chose one that you like or fits your character and run with it.

Maybe invitation was the wrong word (if you are refering to my earlier comment), the spell could instead be a way of asking the soul if it is ok for you to use the body; if the soul says yes they go on their way to aetherius and the body is raised using your character's magicka, if the soul says no then you fail to raise the body. In this scenario you are asking for permission to use just the body, and the soul already being dead probably doesn't care much about what happens to it especially if they are a bandit or rogue mage, ect.

You've previously said that this character views necromancy as a tool and that they try not to cause harm to the soul. Great, there are interpretations of the lore that would support this kind of character.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]

Well of course not, but then you have access to the plot of Oblivion, in game characters only have these records to go on. So an Altmer born in the 200 years since and raised under Thalmor rule might view their version of events as the truth and any other versions as the humans trying to make themselves out to be more important then they are.

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I just happen to have such an Altmer, my main, who was born in 4E 135, is a citizen of the Dominion and a loyal member of the Thalmor. However, the Thalmor have never claimed to have stopped the Crisis entirely, they only say they saved the Elvenkind, i.e. only Alinor and maybe Valenwood, which is not unlike the Argonians claiming that the Hist had warned them so they could protect their own land. This is what my Altmer believes, that the Thalmor did all yhey could to protect Alinor while the Imperials abandoned them and only cared about their Cyrodiil. There is aldo the fact that Altmer aren't illiterate and they can read books and have their own judgement.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]

Back on topic however, my point is that Vezrabuto's interpretation of the lore and how it affects his character is more important then either of ours, since it is his character. The lore is vague and contradictory enough that there is no right and wrong. Also as I pointed out earlier, just because we have access to all these books it doesn't mean the characters do. Not even Urag gro-Shub's library has a copy of every book, so just using those sources that support your interpretation is just as valid since the character may have only had access to those books and their view of the magic will be influenced by that.

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True. But beside the books, there are things that a character sees with his own eyes and that's not something one can ignore. You cannot deny that some undead thsnk you when they die. Also, if a character raises undead, he does know what method he is using.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Vezrabuto]Vezrabuto[/url] said:[/b]

Well i tried to be creative and that backfired.

Every source says something else. My way was wrong then right then wrong now i dont even know what i used at first because i feel insecure about my choices now. some sources say pure magical reanimation is possible others say its not then with the soul i read it has a power source or something and you use that. I dont even know if you use the same soul in older bodies since the link between body and soul dissapears after a few days, but what do you reanimate it with then? then some say its inherently corrupting to use. My Character is a Heavy Enchanting user but i dont even feel like thats okay anymore. some sources say you only use the energy(?) of the soul to Enchant and the rest just leaves but why couldnt a Necromancer only use the Energy part but instead has to use the entire soul. With the open Invitation thing its like Thorien said what soul would want that. i dont think a human soul would do it and a white soul wouldnt be strong enough to power a human.

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Instead of blindly believeing various contradictive sources, you have to use logic and common sense. That's what I always do and that method has never failed me. You need to examine and analyse all the statements from all the sources, separately.

First of all, if something is said to exist, it probably exists, in one form or another. People rarely make stuff up from scratch, there is always some truth behind every myth. Based on how the souls are apparently working (consisting of two parts and all), it's logical to assume that pure magical reanimaton is possible, however this method is more complex, more taxing and more difficult to use. The life force that snimates a body is pure magical energy, thus it can be imitated, but doing so would require a great deal of mastery.

Also, nothing indicates that one cannot raise the dead using a soul from another creature, in a process similar to enchanting. And I personally think that a white soul (or several) can be used to reanimate a humsn body, it just will a weaker zombie. Unless you want a fully functional Thrall that looks alive and can think, it can work.

You can use everything that is stated in the lore as long as it makes sense. (Well, you can even use something that doesn't, if you don't mind your character looking ignorant.) Uselogic, analyse, think.

And there's nothing wrong with Enchanting as long as you use white souls. In fact, my character might even use black soulgems if he finds them already filled.

I should really spend more time thinking about my replies so I don't have to do multiple posts :P

So for example, that character of mine who I've said used the undead to fight dragons, would use the bones of bandits to create skeletons as part of the raising process she would contact the soul and ask permission first and after gaining concent she would animate the skeleton with her magicka leaving the soul alone. She did this as the bandits were criminals and already dead so no additional lives would be lost in fighting the dragon, instead of risking the lives of farmers and guards who had families waiting for them. Later on she also had a group of volunteers who in life acted as her personal guard and gave her permission to raise them in the event of their deaths. A great deal of this was me reinterpreting Arkay's teachings especially around the body being used with or without consent.

The lore's meaning is not set in stone and so you can use it to benefit yourself. 

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]

I should really spend more time thinking about my replies so I don't have to do multiple posts :P

So for example, that character of mine who I've said used the undead to fight dragons, would use the bones of bandits to create skeletons as part of the raising process she would contact the soul and ask permission first and after gaining concent she would animate the skeleton with her magicka leaving the soul alone. She did this as the bandits were criminals and already dead so no additional lives would be lost in fighting the dragon, instead of risking the lives of farmers and guards who had families waiting for them. Later on she also had a group of volunteers who in life acted as her personal guard and gave her permission to raise them in the event of their deaths. A great deal of this was me reinterpreting Arkay's teachings especially around the body being used with or without consent.

The lore's meaning is not set in stone and so you can use it to benefit yourself. 

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I thought the soul only retains its ties to the body only for some time? I mean, if the body has been dead for so long it has become just a skeleton, sure there is no ties with the soul anymore. So you csn reanimate it eith your msgic without issue. It's only a body thst died recently that would require do many actions. Also, may it be that there is a way to severe the ties between the soul and yhe body before it happens on its own? Not the most good or most natural of actions, but it probably can be done, huh?

This is my Main: https://tamrielvault.com/groups/topic/view/group_id/7/topic_id/9769?mobile=0 

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

There is aldo the fact that Altmer aren't illiterate and they can read books and have their own judgement.

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And yet they very willingly exiled Rynandor the Bold based solely on the word of the Thalmor. They may be able to read but when the information is actively withheld from them they can only base their opinons on what they have been told or what information they have access too. The book I link to has the Author not trusting the Altmer because he saw evidence to cause him to do so, but a character born after the crisis wont have. 

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

I thought the soul only retains its ties to the body only for some time? I mean, if the body has been dead for so long it has become just a skeleton, sure there is no ties with the soul anymore. So you csn reanimate it eith your msgic without issue. It's only a body thst died recently that would require do many actions. Also, may it be that there is a way to severe the ties between the soul and yhe body before it happens on its own? Not the most good or most natural of actions, but it probably can be done, huh?

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The skeleton thing was facilitated in game by the Odinator skill overhaul in which there is a perk that lets you loot bones from corpses and eventually raise skeletons at specifc alters. So the individials had died recently and just had their bones removed (the act of which is in a grey area). Also souls can stay attached for months, we don't actually know the limit to this all we do know is that it varies and the longer it has been the weaker the connection will be.

I would think that part of Arkay's Blessing is severing the connection so that the soul cannot be tampered with through the body, in addition to prevent the body from being raised without permission.