Well, it was Rynandor 's words against the Thalmor's. At that time no one had much evidence. Also, events that happened in one place and were seen by one group of people don't necessarily mean that different events couldn't have happened in another place. The Thalmor claim to have done more than they really could, but it doesn't mean they have done nothing. They used the situation to unite the Altmer under their banner and secede from the Empire. Not a paladin-y action, but not necessarily evil either.

Ah, in the case with fresh bodies some sort of severing must be done, I guess. Probably it can be done through normal magic, not only through Arkay's blessing.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Vezrabuto]Vezrabuto[/url] said:[/b]

 About the Soul body link.

As to freshness, be careful in this consideration as well. Have you ever wondered why there are so many skeletons among the reanimated undead, fewer zombies, and only a scant few revenants? The longer a body remains inanimate, the less hold its original owner has on the corpse. A spirit can stay tied to its remains for days, weeks, or even years—the shorter the time, the more likely the spiritual umbilicus exists.

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That's exactly what I said. The longer the body is dead, the weaker is the link, the easier it is to use.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

Well, it was Rynandor 's words against the Thalmor's. At that time no one had much evidence. Also, events that happened in one place and were seen by one group of people don't necessarily mean that different events couldn't have happened in another place. The Thalmor claim to have done more than they really could, but it doesn't mean they have done nothing. They used the situation to unite the Altmer under their banner and secede from the Empire. Not a paladin-y action, but not necessarily evil either.

Ah, in the case with fresh bodies some sort of severing must be done, I guess. Probably it can be done through normal magic, not only through Arkay's blessing.

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I never said they did nothing, my point was that people act on the information that they have and with the Thalmor being in power they can control what information makes it down to everyone else just like any government. Have they done that? Yes as seen in Rynandor's case. Have they done it on a large scale? We don't know since Skyrim is about as far as you can get from Summerset so we don't exactly know what things are like over there. I'm not saying they are evil, and I think it would be incredibly poor writting if that's what they were.

We should also remember that not all Altmer are scholars, they have their farmers and such who would not be as educated and so would be more interested in the world not ending so they can go back to their lives, so anyone claiming to have stopped that from happening would be good in their view.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Vezrabuto]Vezrabuto[/url] said:[/b]

This is my Main: https://tamrielvault.com/groups/topic/view/group_id/7/topic_id/9769?mobile=0 

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So he had an innate talent for necromancy and was classically trained in it primarily by the College of Whispers? I doubt they would teach him that necromancy was evil then since they just see it as another school of magic for them to study and would most likely be able to teach him ways to avoid causing harm to the soul of the person being raised.

Yes its the same to him as every other School its just the most convenient type of summoning in his work. He is completly talentless in Destruction best he can do is apprentice level spells but he excels in Restoration and Conjuration. he despises deadra due to his time in the College of Whispers where he saw how they behave and because of the Oblivion crisis. He is fascinated with Forms of Body preservation and the concept of Death itself. where the soul goes after death and just uses of Necromancy in History. He takes a liking to Old Nordic Artefacts after reading about them. He was in the Necromancy branch of the College and comes to Skyrim to study Draugr and collect Artifacts of the Old Nords. Things like Ancient Nord Weapons, Dragon Priest Masks the Gauldur Artifacts things like that. He is something like a Archaeologist if you want to call it that. 

I skimmed through the comments due to lack of time but I get the gist of it. Conjuration is my favorite school of magic but I focused more on the Conjuration part of controling magicka to create things like weapons / objects etc. I have also just started a character who will have a connection mostly to the theme of  souls and I 'm not sure if I will include actual necromancy. He is an individual mainly on the Chaotic good side but sometimes he forgets the good and just focuses on the chaotic. He wishes to gain as much power and knowledge (without losing himself like giving soul to Mora etc) so he might not go as far as to kill someone to obtain let's say an artifact but he wouldn't mind to acquire it through some other means but that goes only for things that will be of use in order to make him stronger.

Now on to the main part of necromancy.

1) One thing you can do when raising with necromancy is to only raise the "bad guys" with the first option and not care that they will suffer for a bit while they fight for you if that means they will do some good.

2)  The second option is to go with the Deadric kind of necromancy. You could say that you are able to call forth and stuff into whatever you want the soul or better the Anima of a deadra in order to raise something. Give a read here it mentions a few things Click Here , 

And here although you might have seen this one, Click Here

On top of that you could also say that you have studied Arkay's rituals and with that along with magic as well you are able to cut off the connection a soul has to its body when it is still new peacefully.

Not sure if that helps gl.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]

I never said they did nothing, my point was that people act on the information that they have and with the Thalmor being in power they can control what information makes it down to everyone else just like any government. Have they done that? Yes as seen in Rynandor's case. Have they done it on a large scale? We don't know since Skyrim is about as far as you can get from Summerset so we don't exactly know what things are like over there. I'm not saying they are evil, and I think it would be incredibly poor writting if that's what they were.

We should also remember that not all Altmer are scholars, they have their farmers and such who would not be as educated and so would be more interested in the world not ending so they can go back to their lives, so anyone claiming to have stopped that from happening would be good in their view.

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It appears like most people believed them for more than one reason. First, they had no way to know what happened in Cyrodiil, Martin sacrificing himself, etc. (I'm speaking about the time immediately after the Crisis), and to them it looked like the gates simply closed. Second, the Empire had abandoned them, withdrew all its legions to defend Cyrodiil. And third, they were utterly devastated and needed something, someone, anyone to believe in, dome thread of hope that their lives will return to normal. And this applies to all Altmer, not just farmers. Later, when the Thalmor got the real control, it was already not do important who ended the Crisis. They used the situation just in the right time, like any shrewd politicians would. Though many people like to call them evil for that, conveniently forgetting that the Empire wouldn't hesitate to do the same and has done so on multiple occasions.

Kirkbride has already said once that they are "the absolute Other and hate the very idea of mortality" and thus impossible to understand, which basically qualifies as saying that they are evil just because they are evil. I personally find it both hilarious and sad that Kirkbride apparently cannot imagine that there are people in our real world who don't share his worldview and who actually can relate with the worldview of the Thalmor, whether or not they really want to destroy the world. Mortality is not the coolest thing ever, to be completely honest.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]

So he had an innate talent for necromancy and was classically trained in it primarily by the College of Whispers? I doubt they would teach him that necromancy was evil then since they just see it as another school of magic for them to study and would most likely be able to teach him ways to avoid causing harm to the soul of the person being raised.

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Believing that necromancy is evil and believing that using a sentient soul to reanimate a zombie is not quite right is not exactly the same. Though if a person fully believes what others say and never researches more sources to make their own judgement, they would only know what they are told. If Vezrabuto's guy is such a one, that's only for him to decide.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Duvain]Duvain[/url] said:[/b]

1) One thing you can do when raising with necromancy is to only raise the "bad guys" with the first option and not care that they will suffer for a bit while they fight for you if that means they will do some good.

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This one seems pretty radical. Very self-righteous of one to decide if a person is bad enough to suffer indescribable agony for being not up to one's standards of good...

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

This one seems pretty radical. Very self-righteous of one to decide if a person is bad enough to suffer indescribable agony for being not up to one's standards of good...

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I know, but it is still debatable. How many people did those bandit groups made to suffer and in many cases it is not just a swift death to take a coin purse and how much suffering the families of the victims go through or the survivors of their attacks. Since my character is also cold blooded and focuses mostly on the chaotic side of things and maybe a little of lawful evil mixed in he wouldn't mind giving them a few minutes of agony and releasing them after that.

Actually didn't gave it much thought but now that I think about it this character will be something like 70% Chaotic good and 30% Lawful Evil which is quite an interesting mix. :P

"Though if a person fully believes what others say and never researches more sources to make their own judgement, they would only know what they are told"

He cant possibly Know everything about Necromancy. There probably is a way to imbed a Soul gem into a Body to reanimate it, but no one knows about it. My Character isnt a dumb Sheep only believing his Teachers, He does his own research. thats part of why he is in Skyrim. The Embalment technique of the Old Nords is Fascinating. They are Preserved for Hundreds of Years without decaying. They are also Reanimated 24/7 which in itself is interesting. 

I cant figure out what Reanimation type to use and how much he knows about the subject.

Since in Skyrim they definitely are consious. So pure Magic might make sense or it might not. if it uses a soul then which soul? where does it come from? I also plan on using Wrathmen. is that wrong? are the Ideal masters even real Deadra. would it be possible to use them without making a contract with the IM.

 But still. what if you kill a bandit and Torment him but he was just recruited and did nothing yet. Just throwing every bandit in the same pot because they are bandits is kinda wrong.