Duvain said:
Conjuration as in summoning deadra can be ok who cares about deadra anyway no love for them. :P
It's not about the Daedra themselves but about bringing them into the world. Same goes for bound and Daedric weapons/armor and artifacts. Since Daedra are clearly evil and tainted, it can be seen as bringing evil into the world and also tainting yourself by dealing with Oblivion. Of course not every character would see it like that, it depends strongly on one's worldview, but in most cases those who summon Daedra aren't exactly saint.
Duvain said:
But I believe that necromancy at least the necromancy used to raise people or even trap souls is what you would call bad or evil since it does harm other people. Because the person/soul is suffering during the process. That is also the reason why when a zombie dies in Skyrim they might say "Thank you" or "At last" etc. Also, I don't remember the source but it is mentioned somewhere that in Altmer society only few that have permission will are able to legit study necromancy (most likely not the standard minion making machine one) and only in order to find ways to prolong mortal lifespan, other than that it is considered evil and not sure if it is banned but they despise it nonetheless not to mention about the other races.
It's true. And there's an important detail that the Altmeri funeral customs are designed so that their dead cannot be raised. They burn the bodies and perform special rituals. At the same time, in the same Altmer society Justiciars can use necromancy in their investigations and the use of souls in enchanting is perfectly legal as long as those souls are white.
Even a Lawful Good character can believe that the use of white souls is no more evil than the use of animal furs and meat (maybe there are some "vegans" but they obvoiusly are a minority). Also, a person (not a Good one but Neutral maybe) can believe that studying necromancy for scientific purposes can be justified because it's for the good of the society, progress and such.
Golden Fool said:
I'd argue that it depends on the type of necromancy being used as to whether it is good or "evil". This discussion is a pretty good explanation of the various ways you can reanimate the dead in TES. If you don't want to read it then I'll summarise it here: first way is using the soul of the individual being raised, second is stuffing a daedra into the body, and third is more down to how you interpret the lore since it takes part of a lore book and suggests that you can raise a body with only the "energy" part of the soul and not the "person" part. So in the case of the second (and third if you like that interpretation) it's really not that much different to other conjuration spells. Oh, also the person's soul only suffers if the necromancer has to fight them for control of their body, so presumably if you are using a daedra to raise them or the third option then there would be no torment.
The Altmer in ESO Summerset also have a spell which lets them see the final actions of the dead which they use in solving murders.
I also like to "twist" Arkay's teachings somewhat, "Arkay's Blessing prevents the souls of men, beastmen, and elves from being used without consent." Without consent is the important part here, is it evil and immoral to raise a body of a person who has given you permission to do so?
The second method can be seen as "consorting with Daedra" by some, just like the general summoning of Daedra, and the third, while perfectly harmless, can be seen by some as disrespect toward the dead. I bet Redguards and Nords wouldn't be appeased with the explanation of the third method if they saw you doing it.
And I have a strong suspicion that those Altmer guys who legally study necromancy can only experiment on the bodies of mer who gave their permission before they died (like wrote a special paper), or criminals who were executed, or of "lesser" races.
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Duvain]Duvain[/url] said:[/b]
Conjuration as in summoning deadra can be ok who cares about deadra anyway no love for them. :P
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It's not about the Daedra themselves but about bringing them into the world. Same goes for bound and Daedric weapons/armor and artifacts. Since Daedra are clearly evil and tainted, it can be seen as bringing evil into the world and also tainting yourself by dealing with Oblivion. Of course not every character would see it like that, it depends strongly on one's worldview, but in most cases those who summon Daedra aren't exactly saint.
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Duvain]Duvain[/url] said:[/b]
But I believe that necromancy at least the necromancy used to raise people or even trap souls is what you would call bad or evil since it does harm other people. Because the person/soul is suffering during the process. That is also the reason why when a zombie dies in Skyrim they might say "Thank you" or "At last" etc. Also, I don't remember the source but it is mentioned somewhere that in Altmer society only few that have permission will are able to legit study necromancy (most likely not the standard minion making machine one) and only in order to find ways to prolong mortal lifespan, other than that it is considered evil and not sure if it is banned but they despise it nonetheless not to mention about the other races.
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It's true. And there's an important detail that the Altmeri funeral customs are designed so that their dead cannot be raised. They burn the bodies and perform special rituals. At the same time, in the same Altmer society Justiciars can use necromancy in their investigations and the use of souls in enchanting is perfectly legal as long as those souls are white.
Even a Lawful Good character can believe that the use of white souls is no more evil than the use of animal furs and meat (maybe there are some "vegans" but they obvoiusly are a minority). Also, a person (not a Good one but Neutral maybe) can believe that studying necromancy for scientific purposes can be justified because it's for the good of the society, progress and such.
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/GoldenFool]Golden Fool[/url] said:[/b]
I'd argue that it depends on the type of necromancy being used as to whether it is good or "evil". This discussion is a pretty good explanation of the various ways you can reanimate the dead in TES. If you don't want to read it then I'll summarise it here: first way is using the soul of the individual being raised, second is stuffing a daedra into the body, and third is more down to how you interpret the lore since it takes part of a lore book and suggests that you can raise a body with only the "energy" part of the soul and not the "person" part. So in the case of the second (and third if you like that interpretation) it's really not that much different to other conjuration spells. Oh, also the person's soul only suffers if the necromancer has to fight them for control of their body, so presumably if you are using a daedra to raise them or the third option then there would be no torment.
The Altmer in ESO Summerset also have a spell which lets them see the final actions of the dead which they use in solving murders.
I also like to "twist" Arkay's teachings somewhat, "Arkay's Blessing prevents the souls of men, beastmen, and elves from being used without consent." Without consent is the important part here, is it evil and immoral to raise a body of a person who has given you permission to do so?
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The second method can be seen as "consorting with Daedra" by some, just like the general summoning of Daedra, and the third, while perfectly harmless, can be seen by some as disrespect toward the dead. I bet Redguards and Nords wouldn't be appeased with the explanation of the third method if they saw you doing it.
And I have a strong suspicion that those Altmer guys who legally study necromancy can only experiment on the bodies of mer who gave their permission before they died (like wrote a special paper), or criminals who were executed, or of "lesser" races.
