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• Accursed

  

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  September 22, 2015

  I still feel that having one just for TT would be most helpful. The Workshop may be for all Groups, but writing is a much more personal and intricate thing. With a Profile or a Build, there are set ways to make it good (in general). For writing, there are no real rules, except the word requirement for stories and the 1 post a day. Another thing we could do is set up a forum with people willing to critique writing through PM's, though I still feel that a critique thread might be more helpful.

  I still feel that having one just for TT would be most helpful. The Workshop may be for all Groups, but writing is a much more personal and intricate thing. With a Profile or a Build, there are set ways to make it good (in general). For writing, there are no real rules, except the word requirement for stories and the 1 post a day. Another thing we could do is set up a forum with people willing to critique writing through PM's, though I still feel that a critique thread might be more helpful.
• Tae-Rai

  

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  September 22, 2015

  While I am okay with that, I still believe if the Workshop is available to use then there is no reason why it shouldn't be used.

  Many TT members don't check out the Workshop often

  And yet some are saying that it's dominated by CB! I don't think that a new discussion/group should be made when something is readily available to use when people do not make the effort to use it.

  While I am okay with that, I still believe if the Workshop is available to use then there is no reason why it shouldn't be used.

  Many TT members don't check out the Workshop often

  And yet some are saying that it's dominated by CB! I don't think that a new discussion/group should be made when something is readily available to use when people do not make the effort to use it.

• Accursed

  

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  September 22, 2015

  Well, why should we use it if it isn't quite what we want?
  I don't mean to sound as rude as that statement actually is, but it isn't quite what we're talking about.
  The Workshop was designed as a place for WIP content to have a place to be worked on. This proposed thread is for tiny snippets, some less than a paragraph, to be posted and critiqued; not the entire story or chapter.
  Under the Workshop's rules, this content would be deleted for not having 250 words. In the thread, that is what it will be designed for. While the basic function may be similar, the scale and reasons are quite different.

  Well, why should we use it if it isn't quite what we want?
  I don't mean to sound as rude as that statement actually is, but it isn't quite what we're talking about.
  The Workshop was designed as a place for WIP content to have a place to be worked on. This proposed thread is for tiny snippets, some less than a paragraph, to be posted and critiqued; not the entire story or chapter.
  Under the Workshop's rules, this content would be deleted for not having 250 words. In the thread, that is what it will be designed for. While the basic function may be similar, the scale and reasons are quite different.
• Tae-Rai

  

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  September 22, 2015

  @Accursed: That was not the impression I got nor what was proposed. So forgive me if I sound rude but saying that if the original intention was clearer then that, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

  @Accursed: That was not the impression I got nor what was proposed. So forgive me if I sound rude but saying that if the original intention was clearer then that, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

• Okan-Zeeus

  

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  September 22, 2015

  Gloom, I'm going to add my two cents to this discussion. 

  First off, I agree that the workshop isn't ideal for us writers. We need a different sort of structure for critiquing to be effective, because writing critiques are a slippery slope.

  What I mean is this: there's no objective way to critique a piece of writing and make it better. A writing critique should allow writers to get feedback on their work, not necessarily advice on how to improve  it.

  And the critiquers have to know how to critique well. This is perhaps the most important part.

  HOWEVER...

  I think that a thread where we post and critique tiny snippets sounds useless.

  For the kind of writing that most of us do, what's the point of only have one paragraph or a few sentences critiqued? We should be looking at stories, chapter by chapter, to gauge how effective the writing is as a whole.

  I'm going to post a discussion with my ideas for a critiquing thread. Keep your eyes open for it. :)

  Gloom, I'm going to add my two cents to this discussion. 

  First off, I agree that the workshop isn't ideal for us writers. We need a different sort of structure for critiquing to be effective, because writing critiques are a slippery slope.

  What I mean is this: there's no objective way to critique a piece of writing and make it better. A writing critique should allow writers to get feedback on their work, not necessarily advice on how to improve  it.

  And the critiquers have to know how to critique well. This is perhaps the most important part.

  HOWEVER...

  I think that a thread where we post and critique tiny snippets sounds useless.

  For the kind of writing that most of us do, what's the point of only have one paragraph or a few sentences critiqued? We should be looking at stories, chapter by chapter, to gauge how effective the writing is as a whole.

  I'm going to post a discussion with my ideas for a critiquing thread. Keep your eyes open for it. :)

• Accursed

  

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  September 22, 2015

  ...post parts of their writing (as in descriptions, final paragraphs, openings...)... This was the key part of it. Parts, not wholes. That's what I got from it, anyway. If only, say, an opening were to be posted in the 'Shop then it would go against the rules (unless it was a full paragraph; full paragraphs can occasionally reach 250).

  ...post parts of their writing (as in descriptions, final paragraphs, openings...)... This was the key part of it. Parts, not wholes. That's what I got from it, anyway. If only, say, an opening were to be posted in the 'Shop then it would go against the rules (unless it was a full paragraph; full paragraphs can occasionally reach 250).
• Tae-Rai

  

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  September 22, 2015

  And I believe if you were to go to the WS hosts, they would except posts like that from the rule. Also, I do not believe a single paragraph deserves it's own thread for seeing if it sounds right, which means you should be posting more anyway,

  And I believe if you were to go to the WS hosts, they would except posts like that from the rule. Also, I do not believe a single paragraph deserves it's own thread for seeing if it sounds right, which means you should be posting more anyway,

• SpookyBorn2021

  

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  September 22, 2015

  @Gloom

  Apologies, I hadn't read the original comment as well as I thought. Blame the lack of sleep and please accept my apologies. 

  I am a little confused about the understanding of the Workshop here... 

  The Workshop was designed as a place for WIP content to have a place to be worked on. This proposed thread is for tiny snippets, some less than a paragraph, to be posted and critiqued; not the entire story or chapter.

  This whole thing (Minus the tiny snippets thing) is exactly what the Workshop is for...We get fully completed work in there sometimes that's just there to be critiqued before posting. 

  @Okan

  Again I think there really is some confusion over what the Workshop is meant to be... I don't see why the Writing Groups can't do exactly that in the Workshop, no offense but if someone doesn't actively read/write blogs they aren't going to comment. What you would get is members of the two groups commenting, not random people who know jack-shit. I get what you're going with here but I still would like to suggest the Workshop for any story-critiquing. I won't push it much further but I'd like you to consider it (Would you mind sending a message to me to explain all this more.)

  Anyway I'm done...I realize I don't really understand how Tamriel Tales works, and I'm never really going to get involved. I just saw the words Workshop come in and had to jump in 

  @Gloom

  Apologies, I hadn't read the original comment as well as I thought. Blame the lack of sleep and please accept my apologies. 

  I am a little confused about the understanding of the Workshop here... 

  The Workshop was designed as a place for WIP content to have a place to be worked on. This proposed thread is for tiny snippets, some less than a paragraph, to be posted and critiqued; not the entire story or chapter.

  This whole thing (Minus the tiny snippets thing) is exactly what the Workshop is for...We get fully completed work in there sometimes that's just there to be critiqued before posting. 

  @Okan

  Again I think there really is some confusion over what the Workshop is meant to be... I don't see why the Writing Groups can't do exactly that in the Workshop, no offense but if someone doesn't actively read/write blogs they aren't going to comment. What you would get is members of the two groups commenting, not random people who know jack-shit. I get what you're going with here but I still would like to suggest the Workshop for any story-critiquing. I won't push it much further but I'd like you to consider it (Would you mind sending a message to me to explain all this more.)

  Anyway I'm done...I realize I don't really understand how Tamriel Tales works, and I'm never really going to get involved. I just saw the words Workshop come in and had to jump in 

• SpookyBorn2021

  

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  September 22, 2015

  Yeah I'd be happy to bend the rules if you asked... Each group is different and it wouldn't be too much to ask for separate rules to be made. 

  Yeah I'd be happy to bend the rules if you asked... Each group is different and it wouldn't be too much to ask for separate rules to be made. 

• Accursed

  

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  September 22, 2015

  The rules aren't the only issue, though. The entire formatting of the Workshop lends itself to "here's how to make it better" vibe, and that is impossible in writing. The Workshop is not a good way for writers to get advice on their pieces. If you think it is, that is fine, but it is not formatted well in my personal opinion. After this is posted, I will not be replying to this discussion anymore as this is getting ridiculous. Since you obviously don't understand what it is I'm saying, you are debating me on something completely different.

  The rules aren't the only issue, though. The entire formatting of the Workshop lends itself to "here's how to make it better" vibe, and that is impossible in writing. The Workshop is not a good way for writers to get advice on their pieces. If you think it is, that is fine, but it is not formatted well in my personal opinion. After this is posted, I will not be replying to this discussion anymore as this is getting ridiculous. Since you obviously don't understand what it is I'm saying, you are debating me on something completely different.