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  January 30, 2014 7:50 PM EST

  Wars aren't just  won with battles. Wars are fought on many levels. Look at the Dominion's food situation. You can't grow food in Valenwood with the Green Pact happening. Half of Elsweyr is desert. That leaves their only bread basket possibility on the main land as the other half  of Elswyer which is jungle. The main food supplies  probably from Summerset, an island days or weeks away from their holdings on the main land. You have to transport by sea, and then by land. That's a major supply problem right there. 

  Cyrodiil is the bread basket of Tamriel. Their farms are in the perfect location for massive operations.  If they get busy with their farms, that will be a massive advantage over the Dominion. 

  In reality, the Aldmeri aren't in a position for war either. They had entire armies destroyed in the war. They're tiered, and need troops. Men recover losses faster than elves. They're just about ready. Another five years, and the Empire will have 2 generations of troops to pull from. There was only one generation between WW1 and WW2. The Empire will go for a hammer stroke. 

• Tdroid

  

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  January 30, 2014 8:24 PM EST

  The Dominion already beat an Empire of united human kingdoms. The Imperial City fell and the Empire lost more than half of its Legions in the two battles placed there. Cyrodiil was dependent on reinforcements from Skyrim just to stave the Aldmeri forces off for as long as they did, and they had to completely abandon the 2nd campaign the Dominion lead against them, in Hammerfell. Before the war broke out, Cyrodiil is described as being largely peaceful.

  Now, in the aftermath of the war, we have at least two cities that fell. Bravil erupted in violent gangwars, while Cheydinhal fell to unspecified forces. The innkeeper in Falkreath also mentions something vague about "fighting in Cyrodiil". Then subtract the reinforcement Cyrodiil received from Skyrim and Hammerfell from the equation.

  Cyrodiil, being stable(good for food production), with 3 allies, barely avoided a complete loss against the Dominion because the Dominion made a mistake, and managed to get it down to an appeasement policy that is tearing the Empire apart and furthering the Thalmor influences in their lands. How is a much less stable Cyrodiil(less good for food production), with fewer allies, going to win this?

  The Empire lost 50%+ of their forces the last time. The Dominion lost their "main invasion army", as it was described in The Great War(book), for the Cyrodiil campaign. They still had a working army that occupied half of Hammerfell for another 5 years before they left by treaty. Now you have to reduce the Empire's total forces by a great deal, since they can no longer recruit from Skyrim(The Empire's Strongarm according to the PGE 3rd Edition for the province Skyrim) or Hammerfell. Where do you get the manpower for the Empire to go for a hammer stroke here, since it took the Brass God(Numundium) to invade Summerset the one and only time anyone have ever succeeded at that. Or, an easier question, where do you get the manpower for them to even push out the Dominion from Valenwood and Elseweyr?

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 8:29 PM EST

  Dude, 30 or so years have passed, men kind breed like rabbits, elves don't, it would take another 300-400 years or so to have their precious army back

• Tdroid

  

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  January 30, 2014 8:39 PM EST

  How does this make Valenwood, Elseweyr and, most importantly, Summerset Isles easier to invade?

  And, as I mentioned, the only army that was destroyed was the main army for the Cyrodiil campaign. They still have their Hammerfell campaign army, since it was never destroyed. And if it took Cyrodiil with 3 allies more than half of their troops to deal with one army of the two...

  Humans breed faster than Mer, but I'll need a source if you're going to claim that they breed so fast that Cyrodiil can take up the complete loss of two whole nations as recruitment polls for soldiers. 

• Deleted Member

  
   

  January 30, 2014 9:04 PM EST

  It makes the dominions land on the main land harder to hold. Summerset will have to be conquered by means other than invasion.

• Deleted Member

  
   

  January 30, 2014 11:03 PM EST

  Can I see that source?

• Deleted Member

  
   

  January 30, 2014 11:04 PM EST

  Baby boom. 

• Alduin

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:08 PM EST

  AD doesn't have the manpower, Empire outnumbers them greatly already. 20 years from the Empire will be prepared and willing to fight again, with, or without Skyrim. Many Nords would also leave Skyrim for Cyrodiil, many Nords care more for the Empire than for Skyrim alone. The ones with actual intelligence would help the Empire to save Skyrim, as there's nothing except Akaviri or Divine intervention that would stop the AD from throwing down mankind from power once they have destroyed the Empire.

• Alduin

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:09 PM EST

  Source. Nothing beats a legion.

• Alduin

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:10 PM EST

  It takes roughly 30 years to completely replace a generation (Looking at Roman Empire), it's been more than 30 already.

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:13 PM EST

  Yeah source man? Where is your source for that?

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:32 PM EST

  Oh get out of here fanboy

• Deleted Member

  
   

  January 30, 2014 11:39 PM EST

  I don't believe you. 

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:43 PM EST

  Your reasoning for this, "The Altmer are perfect" screw you and your logic

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  January 30, 2014 11:45 PM EST

  If Altmer are perfect, why do most look like they were beat with an ugly stick? Not to mention how they're never happy with what they make with their perfect hands. 

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:50 PM EST

  Yeah back me up here Shor

• Alduin

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:52 PM EST

  No, they didn't need Numidium, they just needed to attack without a formal declaration of war.

  Argonians were even more succesfull at pushing back the Daedra, so by your own logic, they're better than Altmer. Emer will be pleased to hear of your support.

• Alduin

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:54 PM EST

  Tiber Septim was a genius, even Vix has to admit that and he hates him. He didn't want to bother assaulting Alinor as it would come at a great cost, probably a Phyrric victory.

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:56 PM EST

  zing

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 30, 2014 11:58 PM EST

  I find it funny that this thread started as a way for Talos to tell everyone how godamm great the stormcloaks are, but now it has evolved into every other damm Empire vs Dominion discussion in this site...

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  January 30, 2014 11:58 PM EST

  When I asked for a source, I wanted something from the wiki or uesp. Something with a Bethesda stamp. But if we play by your rules...

  Source: The Aldmeri are over exerteted. They are bluffing. They can't back up their talk with force. They are mouthy spoiled brats. They're carrying a bruised ego. Old men still holding on to the bloody handkerchief from the punch received when they were children. Ha! Some beacon of civility they are! They're so mature! They live thousands of years, but they never grow up. That's not opinion that's FACT!

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  January 31, 2014 12:02 AM EST

  The stormcloaks  have the right idea. Now is the time to act, and tamriel is tiered of the tense waiting. Ulfric has it right

• Alduin

  

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  January 31, 2014 12:03 AM EST

  No, not formal. Formal is waiting at least 1 season, you attacked the same fecking day.

  Your point is still invalid, the legions were scrambled as there were more in the provinces (Including Summerset Isle, so be thankful). You had 1 province to protect, the Empire was busy on every single one.

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  January 31, 2014 12:05 AM EST

  I agree Ulfirc is right, but the rebellion is stupid, instead of killing the damm bastard the Empire should fucking put him as a godamm general! Have them unite and prepare to kill those piss faced bluffing shits

• Alduin

  

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  January 31, 2014 12:05 AM EST

  Even funnier, it's always Stormcloaks and AD supporters who start, yet it's always the Empire wich wins. *mostly because the majority of people keep using the same, often false, arguments*