Why not work on both? This event, as I said earlier would open many doors on this subject, potentially letting us find another permanent solution, while also improving our current solutions.
Why not work on both? This event, as I said earlier would open many doors on this subject, potentially letting us find another permanent solution, while also improving our current solutions.
I agree with Albino's reasoning on this. The Workshop is essentially this entire concept expanded into a permanent site feature.
More effort on the part of new/inexperienced builders to use the workshop would go a long way to reducing the number of builds that end up as deathmatch fodder.
New builders should try and be more receptive to advice as well. While we have had successes come out of the shop (Halifax for one), too often new builders post work, take nothing from the advice offered, and cut straight to posting their work.
I agree with Albino's reasoning on this. The Workshop is essentially this entire concept expanded into a permanent site feature.
More effort on the part of new/inexperienced builders to use the workshop would go a long way to reducing the number of builds that end up as deathmatch fodder.
New builders should try and be more receptive to advice as well. While we have had successes come out of the shop (Halifax for one), too often new builders post work, take nothing from the advice offered, and cut straight to posting their work.
Then there's a design flaw. You can't just say new builders need to ask for experienced builders' help. It's not their fault (except for those that have seen good advice and not take it) that they haven't asked for help before posting. This event would emphasize the point that people should ask for help when making their build. We need to point people in the direction to things like the Workshop.
Then there's a design flaw. You can't just say new builders need to ask for experienced builders' help. It's not their fault (except for those that have seen good advice and not take it) that they haven't asked for help before posting. This event would emphasize the point that people should ask for help when making their build. We need to point people in the direction to things like the Workshop.
We need to point people in the direction to things like the Workshop.
Precisely. Fortunately, I think the CB Group's been doing a good job of that. On quite a few occasions, when a new builder has posted a new build that isn't quite up to snuff, someone's already pointed them towards the Workshop before any of the hosts have gotten to say anything, and I'm quite pleased about that.
We need to point people in the direction to things like the Workshop.
Precisely. Fortunately, I think the CB Group's been doing a good job of that. On quite a few occasions, when a new builder has posted a new build that isn't quite up to snuff, someone's already pointed them towards the Workshop before any of the hosts have gotten to say anything, and I'm quite pleased about that.
We do. The step further, in this case, is that the new builder takes his build to the Workshop, and while it's in there, any veteran builder can comment on it and tell them what they can do to improve their build.
We do. The step further, in this case, is that the new builder takes his build to the Workshop, and while it's in there, any veteran builder can comment on it and tell them what they can do to improve their build.
As in guiding them there, but I get your point.
So will this event become something or not. Want to hear people's opinions on whether it should or not.
As in guiding them there, but I get your point.
So will this event become something or not. Want to hear people's opinions on whether it should or not.
Hate to break it to you, but it probably won't. I personally wouldn't mind a collaboration event in the future, where anyone can collaborate (i.e. not just veterans with newbies, but also veterans with veterans and newbies with newbies, should people decide to do that), but right now, we haven't decided what the next event will be after Deities.
Hate to break it to you, but it probably won't. I personally wouldn't mind a collaboration event in the future, where anyone can collaborate (i.e. not just veterans with newbies, but also veterans with veterans and newbies with newbies, should people decide to do that), but right now, we haven't decided what the next event will be after Deities.
I don't think new builders have to ask experienced members to collaborate on builds. Learning from the best comes in different varieties. Observation, patience, general interaction are quite effective in build-making process. My one and only build is currently in Legendary rank. I did not ask people to collaborate on it. I did, however, ask for help on different aspects of the build in CB HelpDesk, Tips & Tricks, several blog members on Skype for about a year before posting it.
What new members need to see is that posting a build is not mandatory to be a well-accepted and productive member of this community. You can (and I'd say, should) take your time, see how things are done around here, learn from observation, post articles in different groups to hone your skills with Ning editor.
As for the event idea I see no harm in it. But I think it's pretty clear that a lot of experienced members are open for collaboration with or without event. Just recently I saw Curse offering his help to several new builders, Ben C is always helpful and open for help, Henson too. Ask and you shall receive.
I don't think new builders have to ask experienced members to collaborate on builds. Learning from the best comes in different varieties. Observation, patience, general interaction are quite effective in build-making process. My one and only build is currently in Legendary rank. I did not ask people to collaborate on it. I did, however, ask for help on different aspects of the build in CB HelpDesk, Tips & Tricks, several blog members on Skype for about a year before posting it.
What new members need to see is that posting a build is not mandatory to be a well-accepted and productive member of this community. You can (and I'd say, should) take your time, see how things are done around here, learn from observation, post articles in different groups to hone your skills with Ning editor.
As for the event idea I see no harm in it. But I think it's pretty clear that a lot of experienced members are open for collaboration with or without event. Just recently I saw Curse offering his help to several new builders, Ben C is always helpful and open for help, Henson too. Ask and you shall receive.