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Character Building Contest #1: The Results

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    A few more thoughts... (I know, I know, when is he going to shut up, right?)

    I think one way to address my suggestions would be to use a bit more of a quantifiable form for the panel judging. Something like the current system (as it appears in the Google doc) but with a bit more structure, and less abstract. Simple way to do that is to use a scale rating system that addresses all the necessary aspects of a complete build. e.g.:

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    WRITING  [ __/10 ]  (Add up the points below)

    • Grammar:  __/3

    • Spelling:  __/2

    • Phrasing, syntax, clarity, etc.:  __/5

    • Written Notes: 

    LORE & ROLEPLAYING  [ __/10 ]  (Add up the points below)

    • Adherence to Canon:  __/5  (3 being no canon to draw on, 1 being major deviance, 5 being strictly accurate)

    • Roleplaying:  __/5  (wrt. whether the roleplaying adds to the gameplay, makes sense, and is original)

    • Written Notes: 

    PRESENTATION  [ _/10 ]  (Add up the points below)

    • Images:  __/5  (wrt. number of images, spacing, image quality, relevance, etc.)

    • Formatting:  __/5  (wrt. how text and images are organized, text effects, etc.)

    • Written Notes: 

    PERSONAL SCORE  [ __/20 ]  (Add up the points below)

    • Judge's subjective general rating:  __/15

    • Rank:  __/5  (static +5 points if it's the best in that panelist's opinion, +3 if second best, +1 if third best, otherwise +0)

    • Written Notes (Summary/Argument): 

    OVERALL SCORE:  __/50  (Add up the points above)

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    That's obviously a very rough example mock-up, and perhaps it looks like more work, but something like (but more polished and with an agreed upon weighting system) that should ultimately make it a lot easier to tally the votes. It'd also make it easier for the readers to sift through the panelists' responses, by providing more quantifiable feedback in addition to the personalized critiques. e.g., Rather than looking at "+/–" scores, I can look at average scores on a static point scale, and compare the scores between different panelists and/or different builds.

    Another idea — and perhaps you guys did this as well, but it's not clear from the Google docs — would be for the panel to get together on Skype or IRC or something, and have a group roundtable where they dedicate 10-15 minutes to discuss each build and come to a consensus. I know timezone constraints make this difficult, but I think group collaboration would probably be a simpler and more effective way to improve the panel system moving forward.

    I'll end with another disclaimer: I was neither a panelist nor a builder in the competition. Obviously, therefore, I do not have an intimate knowledge of how the panel operated. This may make my feedback appear presumptuous, but I do not mean for that. I'm trying to offer the best, most genuine advice I can to ensure this contest is an ongoing success. I do understand the organizers surely spent a hell of a lot of time and effort already going over the possible options, and I don't mean to undermine that. So feel free to disregard my suggestions, I won't take offense. But I hope you see where I'm coming from, and that at least some of what I've said is helpful.

    Again, cheers guys. Great work. Sorry for all the words and stuff, I'm done now I swear.

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    Also, a question. Will the judges contact us about the input for the next build or do we go to you?

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    I've already sent you a friend request...

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    Rubric?

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    Well first off, Ben, I don't think it's appropriate to compare amateur builds for a video game to classic literature.... But even disregarding that, this is a competition. If you're analyzing Huckleberry Finn for an academic thesis, then yeah, you'll want to look at the deeper meaning, the allegory, the social impact, etc. (which are all factors that don't apply to builds here).

    But — bear with me here — enter Huckleberry Finn in a contest and I think it would be prudent to look at it with a rubric of some sort. Not sure why you'd want to enter Huckleberry Finn into a contest, or what sort of contest it would be relevant to, but I digress.

    I don't discount that there are subjective artistic merits, are why I suggest including a portion in the rubric for panelist subjective score.

    I believe that for a contest with a panel of judges to work properly, there either needs to be a quantified, structured scoring metric (i.e., a rubric), or else complete judge interaction. Without either of these, the biggest advantages of having a panel are lost, and the results are thus less than ideal.

    If the difference between best and fifth is really small, I think that's all the more reason to use a rubric. And that's where the subjective portion of the rubric — particularly the "rank" line — come into play.

  • Tim
    Member
    July 23, 2013

    Just want to say, congrats to Matt and Chris, nice work! Congrats to Jo'Daro, Henson and Kyrielle for the bronze, still shocked that my build had the edge given the high quality stuff you guys come up with. Thanks to the panel for taking the time to do this and Ponty for this brilliant idea that tricked us all into making quality builds xD

    Thanks to everyone who liked my build, it's an honor to have been chosen for second place, I honestly did not expect that. 

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    You sure did. I completely missed it. My apologies

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    I assumed it was Ben C that didn't like the autoplay music

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    Congratulation to the winners!

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    As right you should!  Even if I like the music being played, it often is jarring to hear it blast from another tab while I peruse the other thing I just clicked on...