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Morag Tong vs Dark Brotherhood

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  August 28, 2015

  But why? They are sexy? Or is is just because they are Dunmer faction? :D

  But why? They are sexy? Or is is just because they are Dunmer faction? :D
• Paws

  

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  August 28, 2015

  

  

• Karver the Lorc

  

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• Veloth the Prophet

  

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  August 28, 2015

  Well being Dunmer helps  but I really like that they are a legitimised faction who get legal writs of execution and not some mustache twirling villains who think they worship the Really Bad God for Bad Guys. Also the Tong are fair game when they are on a job, they need to fight through highly trained House Guards and if they fail 3 times then the writ is null and void. Where as the DB go around killing bards and stuff.

  Also I've never liked the idea that Vivec is the Night Mother but it's very likely true  

  Well being Dunmer helps  but I really like that they are a legitimised faction who get legal writs of execution and not some mustache twirling villains who think they worship the Really Bad God for Bad Guys. Also the Tong are fair game when they are on a job, they need to fight through highly trained House Guards and if they fail 3 times then the writ is null and void. Where as the DB go around killing bards and stuff.

  Also I've never liked the idea that Vivec is the Night Mother but it's very likely true  

• André Freitas

  

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  August 28, 2015

  And that real life Black Hand organization was held responsable for the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, which caused quite of steer for the Austro-Hungarian people, making them declare war to Serbia as well as their allies, causing the WW1. (Sorry I said WW2 on my last post).

  And the Night Mother thing was true...The Lady Statue of Bravil showed her with the 5 sons she assassinated.

  And that real life Black Hand organization was held responsable for the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, which caused quite of steer for the Austro-Hungarian people, making them declare war to Serbia as well as their allies, causing the WW1. (Sorry I said WW2 on my last post).

  And the Night Mother thing was true...The Lady Statue of Bravil showed her with the 5 sons she assassinated.

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  August 28, 2015

  As much I´d like to debate about that history because it is more or less history of my country, this isn´t the place, so please stop dragging real life history here. Let´s discuss TES lore, not real life.

  As for the Night Mother statue and some fairy tales aren´t always true. She might have done it or might not, but as you pointed out she laid foundation of Dark Brotherhood. But that doesn´t mean there is some sentient deity with name Sithis. If you look at the lore there is actually more than one version who the Night Mother is. So not everything is as it seems.

  As much I´d like to debate about that history because it is more or less history of my country, this isn´t the place, so please stop dragging real life history here. Let´s discuss TES lore, not real life.

  As for the Night Mother statue and some fairy tales aren´t always true. She might have done it or might not, but as you pointed out she laid foundation of Dark Brotherhood. But that doesn´t mean there is some sentient deity with name Sithis. If you look at the lore there is actually more than one version who the Night Mother is. So not everything is as it seems.

• André Freitas

  

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  August 28, 2015

  I know it isn't the place to discuss it, I was just pointing out the similarities between the two, and further claim that they were assassins like in TES, but enough of that...

  There are various depictions of the Night Mother sacrificing her 5 children to Sithis, (Sithis being depicted as a skull with the black hand symbol on it's forehead) throughout the TES games, specially on the various Black Doors that lead to the Sanctuaries. And I know that the night mother is often refered as Mephala, the patron of the Morag Tong, further tying this two guilds. 

  Also, the void is, as much as any other plane of Oblivion, governed by some form of entity. If Sithis didn't exist, then there would be no one out there in the void in charge of it.  People also claim that Sithis is the Void itself, so there is no real proof if he is actually some form of materialized being or not, but he does exist.

  That's like saying that the Divines don't exist, and they are only part of fairy tales told by clerics. You might not see them, but they left their mark on Nirn and that's enough to say they existed, much like Sithis, the Dwemer and so on... 

  That's my point, but I understand your point of view nonetheless.

  I know it isn't the place to discuss it, I was just pointing out the similarities between the two, and further claim that they were assassins like in TES, but enough of that...

  There are various depictions of the Night Mother sacrificing her 5 children to Sithis, (Sithis being depicted as a skull with the black hand symbol on it's forehead) throughout the TES games, specially on the various Black Doors that lead to the Sanctuaries. And I know that the night mother is often refered as Mephala, the patron of the Morag Tong, further tying this two guilds. 

  Also, the void is, as much as any other plane of Oblivion, governed by some form of entity. If Sithis didn't exist, then there would be no one out there in the void in charge of it.  People also claim that Sithis is the Void itself, so there is no real proof if he is actually some form of materialized being or not, but he does exist.

  That's like saying that the Divines don't exist, and they are only part of fairy tales told by clerics. You might not see them, but they left their mark on Nirn and that's enough to say they existed, much like Sithis, the Dwemer and so on... 

  That's my point, but I understand your point of view nonetheless.

• SoulLess

  

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  August 28, 2015

  Vivec is the Night Mother?!

  Vivec is the Night Mother?!

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  August 28, 2015

  I´ve heard it few times, but I really don´t understand that. I hope Veloth will enlighten us

  I´ve heard it few times, but I really don´t understand that. I hope Veloth will enlighten us

• Mr.

  

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  August 28, 2015

   I prefer the Morag Tong, culturally and "lorelly". It helps that they're a Dunmer faction, but overall they are more interesting. Plus the Dark Brotherhood had its origins within the Tong's ranks, so an awesome faction gave birth to another awesome faction.
  
   However I have to agree with everyone, the Dark Brotherhood does have some of the best questlines in the series which counts to that particular faction. They have also been in more games, so logically they'll end up being more popular, at least until we get a new game set in Morrowind, this time with the whole land... I can even picture the game: "The Elder Scrolls: Resdayn".

   I prefer the Morag Tong, culturally and "lorelly". It helps that they're a Dunmer faction, but overall they are more interesting. Plus the Dark Brotherhood had its origins within the Tong's ranks, so an awesome faction gave birth to another awesome faction.
  
   However I have to agree with everyone, the Dark Brotherhood does have some of the best questlines in the series which counts to that particular faction. They have also been in more games, so logically they'll end up being more popular, at least until we get a new game set in Morrowind, this time with the whole land... I can even picture the game: "The Elder Scrolls: Resdayn".