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• Iceman

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:36 PM EDT

  What?!?!?!?!?!?

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:39 PM EDT

  Isint the champion of cyrodli daed alreay?
• Mr.

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:41 PM EDT

  He's Sheogorath. 

   And we were talking about who was the greatest hero of Tamriel.

• Deleted Member

  
   

  July 7, 2013 5:45 PM EDT

  The Psijic Order looks out for themselves, just like any organization. They may claim that they are guardians of Tamriel, but their motive with the Eye of Magnus is clear - to take it for themselves. I suspect that the only reason that they did not take it until the end of the quest line is because they divined the future and saw you and Ancano fighting over it - to prevent that from happening would have created a temporal paradox. That's speculation, but it's clear that they can divine the future in some way, and the Elder Scrolls establish that history is filled with 'set' events that cannot really be altered (though the Thieves' Guild line in Oblivion discredits that theory somewhat).

  The Slow Time shout in Skyrim has a much smaller window of opportunity, slows down the user, and does not if fact stop time as simply slow it down to between 30 and 10% of its original speed. What the Psijics do is stop time for prolonged periods, with a complete effect on anyone other than the user and specific individuals they do not wish to slow down, and it remains at full capacity for at a pure minimum two minutes - how long the conversations can take. Of course, by not following through and asking questions, or by moving away from Quaranir, it is possible to extend the time stop effect into the tens of minutes - 20 times longer than the strongest Slow Time.

  If Stop Time made you ethereal, surely you would change appearance as per the Become Ethereal shout, but you do not. You look exactly the same, as does Quaranir. The color-bleeding effect is a side-effect of the Time Stop spell, as seen by the Slow TIme shout. In addition, I'm fairly certain you can still pick up objects while in Stop Time, for example when in the Archmage's room.

  None of that changes how they can teleport not only across large distances (hundreds of feet at least), they can teleport extremely large objects with them, and they can do so straight through physical objects (they do not need a line of sight to teleport). At the very least this ensures that no-one who ever has to sleep is safe from them, even in the most heavily guarded fortress.

  Ultimately many of your points are speculations at best, while I'm trying to analyze the exact nature of their abilities by what is presented to us in-game. Comparisons with Dishonored, while interesting, are not useful as the Outsider's magic is entirely different from Tamrielic spellcasting.

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:47 PM EDT

  Well then he does not count since sheo is a god...
• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:52 PM EDT

  The Nerevarine is most likely in Akavir and we're only counting mortal people (even then I would still say the Dovahkiin is more powerful and the Champion of Cyrodiil definitely is).
• Mr.

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:54 PM EDT

  Now, that's a very relative thing...

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:55 PM EDT

  True, but i was using dishonored as an example for game mechanics, not for the actual magic. As stated before daud and his assasins can teleport with their minds, anywhere they invision, but you cant do that while you control him, game balancing. Also, interacting with the scenary while in his time shizwazzle is mostly left for speculation, since we tecnicly are left in a room with "escencial" npcs who cant be killed, and prolonging the time stop by exiting dialogue is game flaw, not a show of his abilities, seriously, separating speculation from fact and from game mechanic is a cruel task...
• Iceman

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:56 PM EDT

  When was it stated that we had to talk about mortals only?

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:57 PM EDT

  It is very much so. The title is 'Most powerful person in Tamriel'. So the Nerevarine's current location is actually very important at the moment.
• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 5:58 PM EDT

  In the description, "man or mer", argonians and cats count too, even if i forgot that. If this was a discussion involving everything than it would probably just discard everything on nirn and focuss on seeing if there is any deadric prince that can stand against sithis. Or not, the dragonborn is the only being with acsess to the restoglitch! (ignore that statement, game mechanics should not count, since they lead to awnsers like babete and braith...)
• Mr.

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:05 PM EDT

  Yes. I actually support that he is in Akavir. I was just astonished with the guy who didn't know about the Nerevarine.

  I actually wrote something related to that in the What kind of boss do you want for TES 6 discussion.

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:05 PM EDT

  This makes me rethink the title, i know so little about akavir that i was afraid to actually say something stupid considering that place, or the other land things around tamriel, people who are not in tamriel should get at least an honorable mention...
• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:09 PM EDT

  Well excuse me if i dont read every single page on the blog, im mainly here to learn about the elder scrolls, my forte is souls lore really...
• Mr.

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:17 PM EDT

  Oh, pardon me. I didn't want to incite hostility. 
  And the Nerevarine is the player's character in the Morrowind game.

• Iceman

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:33 PM EDT

  The Nerevarine is mer (or man)

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:37 PM EDT

  Either way he is likely in Akavir, so he is still exempt.
• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 7, 2013 6:43 PM EDT

  I did not play morrowind so i do not know, but im sure people someone here will, i assume he is not anymore, but was once since he was a player character, wich kind off violates the player character rule...
• Deleted Member

  
   

  July 8, 2013 12:21 AM EDT

  Game balance does not always equate with Lore balance, and frequently does not. Mehrunes Dagon is not balanced with standard humanoid creatures - he's a bloody Daedric Lord. The Psijics are not necessarily balanced with standard mages, in fact Lore states they are much, much more powerful.

  The Psijics can completely stop time for no less than a full minute, and teleport at a base minimum 200 meters (likely much, much farther given how far Skyrim is from the Summerset Isles). This is enough to elevate any one to "powerful enough to kill anything other than itself". At the very least, one could reasonably stop time, grab you, teleport you to ten miles above Red Mountain, let go, teleport back, and start time again. If that does not kill anything less than a Daedra or Aedra, nothing will.

  Dishonored has nothing to do with the situation - the Psijics are clearly on a whole new level of power compared to your average mage. The only thing you can hope is that someone Watches the Watchmen.

• Soneca the Exiled

  

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  July 10, 2013 9:58 AM EDT

  Thats why we have the devs!