This morning I discovered a rather interesting video discussing Fallout 76 seemingly being pulled off shelves (both virtual and physical) in the States and down here in Australia. It's a fascinating, and rather strange for a game as new as Fallout 76. Delving into the comments of the video, we learn about (at least) EB Games stores having their copies of the base game being recalled by the distributor.
Now, the leading theory that TheQuartering discussed in his video is the idea of the game going Free to Play, which honestly feels like a possibility. I'm not sure if there's another logical explanation for something of this size (multiple people talking about working at EB and having to send 50+ copies back to the distributor). But is there another explanation? More then that, if Fallout 76 does go Free-to-Play, what are your opinions on it? What would you want if you paid for the game (to make it feel like your not being fucked over).
If F76 does end up becoming F2P I’d love to try it out, perhaps when I get a new system that can run it. I think if they take this path then they should reward all the existing players who purchased the games, can’t say much about rewards though since I know nothing about the game or fallout in general.
See, that'd definitely be a good thing, would enjoy the idea of people getting into the game (because it's not entirely shit in my opinion). But yeah, what to give those who already bought the game as a consolation is where I'm drawing a blank, if they offered a mere 1000 atoms, or even 2000 then I'd be pretty pissed. Honestly I'm not sure what they could give us considering, as far as I'm aware most of the DLC is supposed to be free? Or all of it? Can't recall exactly but if they charge for them after saying they wouldn't then that'll be a whole other issue to deal with (otherwise a free Season Pass would be a perfectly fine consolation).
I doubt Bethesda is going to offer any atoms or anything. They took the money, refused people refunds to retain all the possible money, pulled a few scams to get even more money. Who cares if the people who bought the game are pissed off, Bethesda's reputation is already ruined anyway.
I'm with you Noodles. I'm actually less inclined to play Fallout 76 on 'free to play' than buying it - simply because it is inevitable that they are going to massively push a whole series of micro-transactions and - if the rumours are correct - loot boxes. In effect it will be more 'pay to win' than 'free to play'...
Let's be honest, the reason that they would consider going free to play is that almost nobody is now buying the game, not now that reviews have come along and demonstrated the inherent flaws within it. I suspect that once the pre-orders and the initial surge of 'day one' purchasers had been satisfied, the number of people actually purchasing the game plummeted like a stone. The almost-immediate price drops give evidence to that.
Here's a novel thought Bethesda - maybe if you actually fixed the many issues with the game, and introduced some NPCs to connect with (there's a built-in method for doing that by simply using DLC to open up the sealed Vaults in the game) then perhaps Fallout fans would be willing to buy the game. I know I would...
I remember hearing this rumor a couple months ago, and my response is still the same -- the only way I'd play F76 is if Bethesda paid me to. Not even for youtube or positive reviews. They would have to pay me just to bolster their player count.
Twenty bucks says ES6 will be F2P mobile.
Legion said:I remember hearing this rumor a couple months ago, and my response is still the same -- the only way I'd play F76 is if Bethesda paid me to. Not even for youtube or positive reviews. They would have to pay me just to bolster their player count.
Twenty bucks says ES6 will be F2P mobile.
Ouch.
The game has it's problems. But you know what? I've enjoyed it so far. My main gripes are the clunky / glitchy combat and that my CAMP often won't populate on load ups. But overall I'm having a good fallout experience. I don't really think this was something anyone really wanted or needed and that's obvi evident in the response to the game.
To the orignal question, I would not expect anything from Bethesda if it goes F2P. But I already feel like I got my 40 bucks worth so whatever.
My bigger concern is a mistep with ES6....and I'm with you on that Legion. FO76 has made us all very very nervous about ES6 :/
When a game goes from costing money to F2P they tend to give the paying customers legacy rewards like a cool gun or armor that is functionally the same as some other weapon or armor you could use in the base game. This, of course, makes players want to murder them even more, for their chutzpah. About what *my* opinion is, I remember having been very hyped for the game until they announced more things about it, like it not being on Steam or the fact that the first hit on any other player deals reduced damage, meaning my usual preferred strategies of stealth, mines, and whiskey become useless, so I probably won't play either way.
The game has it's problems. But you know what? I've enjoyed it so far. My main gripes are the clunky / glitchy combat and that my CAMP often won't populate on load ups. But overall I'm having a good fallout experience.
I'm with you, haven't been able to play for awhile because of my internet, but the game, for me, is entirely enjoyable for the most part. I've only run into a few glitches and other than a funny one with a...was it a Brahmin that was named Radstaag? Eh anyway, the ones that sucked were mostly fixible without logging out and the ones that weren't could be blamed on my internet. So yeah, overall a positive experience in my books, though it can get a bit boring because I'm by myself.
I don't really think this was something anyone really wanted or needed and that's obvi evident in the response to the game.
To be completley fair, it was sort of the thing people have been wanting for years. I think we forget but Multiplayer Elder Scrolls, Multiplayer Fallout...these are things that people wanted for, at least as far back as Oblivion. The idea of Bethesda to make a multiplayer game wasn't stupid, in fact it made logical sense considering how many times people asked for Multiplayer, or how man mods have been started in an attempt to create multiplayer versions of the game. When you add in the (Eventual) success of ESO, I think it did make a lot of sense to make the game.
Course it wasn't exactly what we wanted, I mean. In my opinion, the fundamental ideas behind the game are sound, hell even great in some aspects. The idea of it being player-run is theoretically amazing, it's just harder to implement in theory and Bethesda botched up making me want to ally with people. The idea of the world being completely free to players, theoretically awesome except for the fact that they don't have private servers yet.
My point is, I think the game is fundamentally sound, and like any other MMO (literally any other MMO) it needs time to develop. I seriously doubt any MMO was as good at launch as it was a year later, or two years.
Mottyskills said:Ouch.
The game has it's problems. But you know what? I've enjoyed it so far. My main gripes are the clunky / glitchy combat and that my CAMP often won't populate on load ups. But overall I'm having a good fallout experience. I don't really think this was something anyone really wanted or needed and that's obvi evident in the response to the game.
To the orignal question, I would not expect anything from Bethesda if it goes F2P. But I already feel like I got my 40 bucks worth so whatever.
My bigger concern is a mistep with ES6....and I'm with you on that Legion. FO76 has made us all very very nervous about ES6 :/
I don't really care so much about the state of the game as much as I care about the snowball of bad business practices that happened despite the state of the game. The $60 price tag, the one-week beta, the copy-paste code (and bugs) from FO4 and ES5, not selling on steam, poorly handling returns, including microtransactions at exorbitant prices for content that was default in FO4, that sneaky little piece of code that people discovered that implied they planned at some point to include pay-to-win content, ripping off their most loyal customers, lying about it, backpedaling from that lie...did I miss any? And now they may go F2P, which I would see as one giant middle finger to everyone that paid for the game, and another giant middle finger to every principle that an ethical business should abide by. F2P should have been day-1 considering they all knew full well the state of the game.
I don't feel a thing towards ES6 at this point. I don't trust Bethesda anymore, so I'm keeping my expectations at absolute zero.
Chris said: It's because the other enemy has to attack back, to keep it fair
I understand the reasons, but it still sacrifices the effectiveness of assassin builds in favour of commando and VATS builds, and that kinda goes against Bethesda's usual "play however you want" philosophy. Sure, in Skyrim or New Vegas you kill enemies faster as some characters than others, but enemies don't just get to ignore most of your damage until they walk up to you and pump you full of shotguns.
tirrene said:I will say that it's only PvP and that Bethesda annoucnced a new 'Hardcore' mode that removes the restriction, but is optional. But yeah it's still a fair point about the initial design.Chris said: It's because the other enemy has to attack back, to keep it fair
I understand the reasons, but it still sacrifices the effectiveness of assassin builds in favour of commando and VATS builds, and that kinda goes against Bethesda's usual "play however you want" philosophy. Sure, in Skyrim or New Vegas you kill enemies faster as some characters than others, but enemies don't just get to ignore most of your damage until they walk up to you and pump you full of shotguns.
I got you
Thanks Liege
I for myself think its pretty scummy if they go Free to play. Seeing as how people only got 500 Atoms for a false advertised bag i cant think of what they are planning on giving peiole who bought this mess for 60 dollars or even more for people who got the collectors edition.
Release buggy game for a quick buck and then just make it F2P.
Hmm, I'm not all that sure where I stand on the actual idea of it going F2P. Well, not without more information on how it would work (if they did make the choice), because it'd just be a bit unfair of me. Also I will add that they did end up replacing the bags, still would've been better if they'd just properly released the Power Armour edition, but they did fix the mistake. So, yeah, I'm just willing to suspend any judgement until I learn differently, wouldn't be surprised if I got 150 ATOMs for it, but also wouldn't be surprised if they did something decent.
Well, here you go.
Fallout 76 is not going free to play
I echo Motty though, still enjoying the game and my husband has made himself a slew of caps as a vendor. I would know because I am his pack mule. LOL
As for ES6, whatever comes, comes.
Well, here you go.
Fallout 76 is not going free to play
I echo Motty though, still enjoying the game and my husband has made himself a slew of caps as a vendor. I would know because I am his pack mule. LOL
As for ES6, whatever comes, comes.
Eh fair enough, didn't think it was going to happen but it was an interesting idea to think about anyway. Thanks for dropping the link Liss :D
I said it before and I'll say it again. Despite all my happiness for it before launch, FO76 is a ''no, no'' for me. It's one of those mediocre offshots that someone thought it was a good idea. It wasn't.
When TES 6 comes in mind, I don't have any worries for now. TES is Bethesda's poster child. Even though I'm a Fallout lover, I still think that Skyrim is a better game then FO4. Beth does give more love to TES then FO. But we will see. I just pray to the gods that they're creating a new engine for it.
DeltaFox said:I said it before and I'll say it again. Despite all my happiness for it before launch, FO76 is a ''no, no'' for me. It's one of those mediocre offshots that someone thought it was a good idea. It wasn't.
When TES 6 comes in mind, I don't have any worries for now. TES is Bethesda's poster child. Even though I'm a Fallout lover, I still think that Skyrim is a better game then FO4. Beth does give more love to TES then FO. But we will see. I just pray to the gods that they're creating a new engine for it.
The problem is not the engine, though. It never was. It's just Bethesda being lazy. I can't recommend this video enough.