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Event Build: Karliah, Barenziah's Legacy

Tags: #Character Build Archer  #Character Build Thief  #Character Build Rogue  #Race:Dunmer  #Dragonborn1721  #Ordinator  #Event:FollowMeFollowYou  #SE Rank:Expert 
  • Member
    June 15, 2017

    Ooh, fabulous! I love Karliah :) and the Gray Cowl is a great mod, really enjoyed it, Nerussa will definitely be going back there in my replay/continuation of her playthrough. One small nitpick, I think that with the events of the Oblivion TG questline (kind of a spoiler ahead, I guess) the Cowl no longer permanently erases its wearers from history/people's memories? I could be mis-remembering, but you might want to double check. From memory, it still obscures you while wearing it, perhaps she should just wear it all the time, until the Big Reveal point in the Skyrim TG? 'Mwahaha it was me all along, Mercer, did you forget me?'

    Oh, and fwiw, I'd be wary of removing mods mid-game, it can really cause major problems. The 50% extra perk points plugin on the Nexus page for Ordinator SSE has a .bsa which probably means it has at least some scripting, so I'd be extra cautious. If you've already playtested and done that and had no issues then fair enough, but I'd still be cautious about recommending it. If you've started playtesting, removed it and played on a significant amount then... well, I wouldn't put it back in, that ship has sailed. If you've started playtesting, and haven't yet removed it, I'd strongly suggest leaving it in and just making sure you only take your planned perk spread, you'll end up with a bunch of unused perk points up at the top of the level up/skills screen, but it's safe enough to ignore them.

  • Member
    June 15, 2017

    (Erm, but also BIG HOORAY overall, the other two things just took up more space, they weren't more important!)

  • June 15, 2017

    Heh, all good Gnewna both of your concerns there are pretty fair (and I'm glad you liked the build)

    Ive already played through the whole thing (which is why it's over here) and there was no issue at all with removing the 50% more perk points mod, mid-game. You keep all of your perks and then can just remove it whenever you want. As for the Grey  Cowl, that's a fair point and it was a worry so I looked through Oblivion for any information either way. It's a little confusing for me to be honest, I mean apparently the Elder Scroll at the end of the questline removes the curse but it never says whether the curse is removed from the Grey Cowl or from Corvus Umbranox. There's no real proof either way from what I can tell (from either dialogue or anything else). 

    So, I guess we can say that I'm leaving the curse on the Cowl for this build because I don't have any hard proof that it isn't there. Of course I'm going to keep looking through Lore to see if I can find anything else either way.

    Thanks for dropping in Gnewna, the comment is greatly appreciated :D

  • Member
    June 15, 2017
    Ah, I get a bit confused about the different categories here! From what I remember (definite Oblivion spoilers ahead, anyone who hasn't played through the TG in the game LOOK AWAY!) when you steal the elder scroll for the Grey Fox, he greets his wife who doesn't remember him, then the scroll undoes the curse and she remembers him but is distraught because he's the notorious criminal Grey Fox. He renounces his life of crime and presumably that's all okay then, and when you head back to the Imperial City, the original thief of the Cowl has also been un-unwritten from history, so you get his nice house and stuffs, and as far as I can tell that means the whole curse is lifted. However, there's nothing to say Nocturnal couldn't apply a similar effect to a faithful Nightingale if she needed it to take down that git Frey, right? (I'm not meaning to be a party pooper, it's a great RP/story for the build! Just a big fan of the Guild, and Nocturnal :) )
  • Member
    June 15, 2017

    I don't think the whole curse is lifted, more rewritten so that when someone wears the mask everyone will only recognise the wearer as the Grey Fox while allowing them to retain their identity when not wearing it.

  • Member
    June 16, 2017

    (I realise I may be coming across as a bit of an argumentative git here, I'm honestly not meaning to be!)

    I mean, at this point it's maybe kind of semantics, but that's not really a curse, I'd say, it's always been a magical item and I presume that's the benefit of it for which Emer Dareloth wanted it in the first place (beyond just the thrill of stealing from Nocturnal herself, of course). Here's the ending of the Guild questline: https://youtu.be/3tIyRDlKW8s?t=191 "Such is the power of Nocturnal's curse that lifting it can rewrite time." 

  • Member
    June 16, 2017

    Gnewna said:

    (I realise I may be coming across as a bit of an argumentative git here, I'm honestly not meaning to be!)

    I mean, at this point it's maybe kind of semantics, but that's not really a curse, I'd say, it's always been a magical item and I presume that's the benefit of it for which Emer Dareloth wanted it in the first place (beyond just the thrill of stealing from Nocturnal herself, of course). Here's the ending of the Guild questline: https://youtu.be/3tIyRDlKW8s?t=191 "Such is the power of Nocturnal's curse that lifting it can rewrite time." 

    A good discussion about the lore has never hurt anyone, other then all the people who have failed to understand chim, they were never the same again :P

    Yeah I realised after posting that comment that that might have been the case. Now lets discuss the point you brought up in regards to the Countess forgiving him only moments after she was appalled by him being a thief. Surely that wouldn't have ended well for him in some way.

    It's been way too long since I last played through the Thieves guild (Oblivion's was much better than Skyrim's or really most of the writing in Skyrim) or Oblivion for that matter.

  • Member
    June 16, 2017

    Golden Fool said:

    Yeah I realised after posting that comment that that might have been the case. Now lets discuss the point you brought up in regards to the Countess forgiving him only moments after she was appalled by him being a thief. Surely that wouldn't have ended well for him in some way.

    Yeah, I guess she's just kind of overwhelmed by the whole thing, and decides that him renouncing his life of crime is enough to allow her to welcome him back? He's... not exactly wildly profited from it, after all, from what we can see (certainly not compared to a decade as the Count of Anvil.) It's a little bit soap opera-ish, that bit ;)

    I'm currently slightly obsessively playing Skyrim (had no gaming-capable PC for almost a year, so I have missed those mountains and stuffs) but I'm definitely intending to get back into Oblivion at some point soonish. I've still never done the Dark Brotherhood beyond the... second quest, I think, for a start.

  • Member
    June 16, 2017

    Gnewna said:

    Yeah, I guess she's just kind of overwhelmed by the whole thing, and decides that him renouncing his life of crime is enough to allow her to welcome him back? He's... not exactly wildly profited from it, after all, from what we can see (certainly not compared to a decade as the Count of Anvil.) It's a little bit soap opera-ish, that bit ;)

    If she's anything like my mother or sister, then he'll never hear the end of it.

     

  • Member
    June 16, 2017

    Haha, probably! I'd certainly not let him live it down easily... "Gnewna, my love, can I do anything for you?" "WELL, Corvus, can you undo those ten years where we should have been happily married and ruling Anvil and HAVING BABIES? No?"