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Contest Build: The Dark Supplicant

Tags: #Character Build Summoner  #Character Build Battlemage  #Character Build Villain  #Race:Dunmer  #Rank:Legendary  #Hall of Fame Build  #Contest1 
  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    I don't know why people decided he was judged because of his writing style? Look at the Google doc, while there is a "-" comment for self-congratulatory style, there is also a "+" comment mentioning everything you guys said.

  • July 23, 2013

    wait,  these judges don't judge in a group, but rather as individuals? There's not a panel or something they're on? No chat or anything to discuss this as a group? That is a stupid way to govern things. 

  • July 23, 2013

    That was bad wording on my part. What I meant was not all the judges share an exact opinion about everything, but seeing as that's gonna be nearly impossible...

    I think what Teccam said is the most accurate, a rubric focusing on things that are more objective.

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    So to prove that we get a celebratory post about each build in which each judges opinions are clearly seen? No. We get a google doc that appears to have been written by one person.

  • July 23, 2013

    Well there were plenty of differing opinions on those Google-Docs.

    It's the first CB contest ever. Of course it won't be perfect, so I do support you voicing your opinions about it...even though it does sound like you want to murder me a little bit >.>

    And I will label all my points if you guys want me to, I really don't mind.

    Though it's safe to say I'd rather not judge the coming contests...

    Edit: I can't edit the Google Documents anymore.

  • July 23, 2013
    Thank you Phil. I'm just trying to put this into perspective! Builds are based on the writer. If one cannot express his/her style, it's not worth it. It's a serious turn off for anyone who enters. I feel some of the decisions made were personal than practical.
  • July 23, 2013
    Ben, that was surprisingly tasteless. For you to self-righteously declare that there are so many builds that are better than any other as matter-of-factly as you have, and not expect the many who disagree to not only question your reasoning for such a decision but point to the actual thought process behind the judgment that you all decided to expose to us just proves how qualified for judging builds you really are. The bottom line is that the ridiculously arbitrary remarks shared about all of the builds, not just mine, probably deserve the reactions they've received. And perhaps you should have never signed up for the job if you weren't ready to face the disparity of opinions between those of us enjoying the show and those of you running it. As for everyone else, whose opinions matter greatly to me, I can't thank you all enough for the overwhelming show of support, but I must clear the air: my placement in the contest did far less to extinguish my creative spark than the onset of this contest did to reignite it. I may have phrased it in a way that made it easy to misconstrue my intentions, but all I meant to do was express how invested in this contest I was! I merely wanted to thank you all in declaring that whatever wind left my sails from my build's placement amongst the judges' picks was always put back tenfold by my placement amongst those of my peers'. I don't see how I could regain the sort of enthusiasm I had for this build again any time soon but I felt the exact same way two weeks before posting it! Thought I was done after the Master Monk and honestly do again, regardless of a win or loss here (and though it's a bit of a bummer to have "officially" lost, I don't feel like I've lost at all, to be honest). :) Truth be told, there were a lot of quality builds in this. Some won, some didn't. That's how it had to be. In the end I think we all won though. (Except the judges, clearly lol.)
  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    You didn't "lose" anything, you just didn't place...

    What you seem to have ignored is that everywhere I linked those docs it said panel's thoughts. I had the rest of the panel go through each build, and write their thoughts on each of the sections. After that I took those points into account when reading over the builds again to determine the placements. I ignored some of the more irrelevant points (Ben's issues with autoplay music for example). We pretty unanimously agreed on the winners and you don't seem to be able to accept that you aren't one of them.

    This whole situation seems to have been taken way out of context. Everyone seems to think that certain people didn't win because of a few irrelevant remarks by panel members in the thoughts docs.

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    I don't know much about anyone on this site in terms of personality, but I think what is happening here is a misunderstanding.

    The comments in the thoughts docs, however true they are, should have been kept between the panel, or if they were to have been released at all, sent to the individual responsible creating the build. I respect how transparent this group of people is, but it's also kind of obvious to me that if there is a comment or thought that a build creator, or his/her fans, would find offensive, it shouldn't have been released to the public.

    At this point, people have just taken to trying to find out who said what, and it's definitely just causing people to be upset at each other, when really, the gravity and the brutal honesty that those thoughts contained should have just been released to the build creators, or not released at all. 

    I love the idea of allowing us to see how judging was done, like with the different categories, but I definitely think that the panel's thoughts staying as just the panel's thoughts could have saved everyone a lot of arguments.

    From Snake's perspective, it doesn't matter what was used for judging; moreover, it seems like with those docs just being thoughts, they reveal opinions of Snake, as well as his writing style, that were and are hurtful to him.

    From your perspective, Ponty, as well as all the judges, you just wanted to share with everyone your thought processes and have made it clear that you didn't use those thoughts to solely judge any build. 

    Bottom line: what was said in those docs almost seems to me like unfiltered table talk, and as we all know, if we're going to be honest about someone or his/her idea's behind his/her back, however right or wrong we may be, we should approach only that person about our opinions, not even thinking of releasing what we really think of him/her and his/her ideas to dozens of other people. 

  • Member
    July 23, 2013

    Completely agree with you!