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  • September 17, 2016

    To be straightforward, all that I was trying to do was to apologize. I had apologized to a number of people who I had treated poorly in the past (hell, I even apologized to Ben C) and Nebula happened to fall on that list. There wasn't much more to it than that. 

  • September 18, 2016

    I've been debating whether I should respond here or not...I can honestly say, I just don't really care about any of the base problems whatsoever, the new site being created doesn't bother me, it's another site, and while I think it's going to be a difficult start I really would think it'd be cool to see it expand and I wish all the best to Curse, Tae and whoever else is running it. I don't really care about the 'poaching' issue, honestly I personally wouldn't be involved, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, it isn't like they were actively trying to spread this dogma that the Vault is shit, and that everyone should abandon it, if that was the case I'd probably be a bit angry.

    I've got a few main problems, that are more on how this has been handled, and it's both sides really. I won't name anyone, but there are people who are badmouthing people on both sides, there was a small amount of people coming here and leaving quick statuses that, well I would classify as shit-starting statuses...I don't know if they were intentionally trying to provoke anything (in fact, knowing the people that left them, I would say that I think they weren't) but it still bugged me a little bit. It'd be the equivelent of me heading over to the other site and badmouthing Curse... I don't agree with anyone doing that, so it does bug me, but then I do get it...I won't say much but I've heard similar things from people 'in the know'...It's just how arguments are, but nontheless it bugs me that we've got two seperate groups of people who are so willing to badmouth each other, before hearing both sides of the story. Which is really my second problem. 

    Anyway, the second thing that bugged me, is again two fold. The fact that very few people heard the whole story before getting involved, I'm guilty of it myself, and I doubt many people had a discussion with Tae/Curse/Whoever, and then came over here and thought "Welp I'm going to have a calm discussion with Todd before saying anything", no what I've seen is either "A" is right or "B" is right, better get shitty at "B" or "A" (Not saying that this is 100% of people involved, but from what I've seen there appears to be a fair bit of this everywhere right now). Because, the two stories I've heard, parts from the Admins, parts from Teccam and Albino here are ultimitely pretty similar and now that I see both, I get both sides of the issue. 

    Anyway, I'll sum it up, I know that not everyone is going to be happy, but in the end I hope that the other site hits their aims, gets new members and just generally become what they want it to become. I hope that, even with the split that this doesn't fracture previous friendships, and that everyone just enjoys doing what they're doing. Hell, maybe once tensions are cleared there could be discussions about both sites working together in some ways (I doubt that it'd happen, but it's a fun thought at least). If both sites can encourage people to put their all into being part of the community then that'd be great.

    Note: I know this comment is a bit late considering when the other comments were made, but I was out all day and meant to post it (or something similar) much earlier. 

     

  • Member
    September 18, 2016

    Well this was a surprise, I was away from the site the last time this kind of drama happened (the Ben C thing, which I still don't know anything about), but nevertheless I hoped it would be behind us. Personally, I wouldn't mind if people moved over to the other site, if that's where they'll be happiest then let them, the people that stay will form a tight knit community, like how it used to be.

    Saying this, I'm definitely not against duel membership, infact I've been contemplating going over and seeing what's up over there, I haven't talked to any of the banned members since they left and honestly I have been wondering about them. So yeah, lets just co exist for a while, then see if we can come together into somthing beautiful.

  • September 24, 2016
    This drama is a bit ridiculous, I can't even. If they want to create a new site, fair play to them, and if they are 'poaching' members, can't this be dealt with in private? It would make things a lot simpler and less stressful. Like the old saying, don't air your dirty washing in public.
  • Member
    September 24, 2016

    Okay, this explains the shake-up in the CB. 

    I won't lie, this kind of thing always makes me a bit sad. I don't fully understand what's going on, and I suppose I'm better off that way, but still... it's disheartening to see people I've had long-standing relationships with upset. For ANY reason. 

     I hope time smooths things over a bit, and that gaps grow narrower... I still look up you all ;D

  • September 24, 2016

    @Histcarp - We do try to handle these types of things privately. However, when long-standing members are suspended then we believe our community deserves to know why. We wanted this to be a clear message stating why things happened so that all questions were answered, though people quickly began to derail that (so is the way of the web, I suppose).

  • Member
    September 25, 2016

    I'm extremely skeptical as to how this is being handled. The word doc you posted has not shown any real evidence of "poaching" other members. I would take the admins' word on this, but after the unfair banning of Ben C, Nebula, and Shor, (hell, Legion was banned one time only to be re-invited later, due to a mass storm of drama) I cannot just simply accept as fact that they were actually trying to steal Vault members. 

    However, I will remain a member of the Vault, only. Not that I condemn members who are also members of the other site, I just don't have time for both. I also cannot blame Heroic for opening his own site after being overlooked by Couchwarrior. He was a fairly old member that got screwed over by a new partnership. It was a good move on Todd to apologize to Heroic, so props on that. I wish the best to Curse and Tae's site, and the Vault.

    Edit: I realize this comment is late, but Vault D&D has been keeping me away from other parts of the site.

  • Member
    September 25, 2016

    I just watched HX's new vid, and I hadnt been here for the past week or so, and Character Crusades vids are well, lacking. 3 character showcases? Seriously? And they have barely more fans than HX- like 3 thousand. You guys cut HX out, and I stand with him-his showcases have so much effort put into them, and for what? Nothing from the Tamriel Vault. Honestly? Todds apology was a little late. So good for Heroic.But I'm a member of both, and We'll see how much the new site grows.

  • September 25, 2016
    @rogue Just so you know Rogue I myself hav seen the other Doc that confirms a blatant attempt at poaching another member of our site, I would simply ask that you take what I have told you as the Truth thanks man,B
  • Member
    September 25, 2016
    @Bonelord - What do you mean "other doc"?

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