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WiP Character Build: Kiahni the Khajiit

Tags: #Khajiit  #WIP  #Kiahni  #New  #Help with Lore 
  • January 22, 2018

    MAJOR UPDATE!: If you're new to this thread, I've revived it after a year's absence for reasons explained on the third post on the fourth page. Take a look if you'd like. :)

    Hello there!

    I'm new to this site. My name is Etch, and I'm relatively new to Skyrim, although I started modding it almost immediately after purchasing it for PC. I'd seen my sister play it on Xbox 360 before, and had tried my hand at it occassionally, but I couldn't stand the graphics. When I saw screenshots of what I could turn Skyrim into, though, I did some more research and decided to try it out on PC. I've had the game for about a week or two now, and have been playing it almost non-stop since. However, thanks to me constantly adding on new mods, I haven't actually started a save that lasted more than a day or two in real life. I think I've finally found a place with my mods that I'm happy with, and so I've decided to try roleplaying in the game.

    If anyone wants my modlist, I'd be happy to throw it at them so they can get a better idea of what sort of gameplay I'm getting.

    That said, I have roleplayed before, for years in fact, just not in Skyrim. I have been forum roleplaying since I was seven, and so I have no problem with creating characters and the such...usually.

    However, I'm not used to working with other people's lore. I've always created my own universes to write in. The closest I've gotten to working with someone else's lore was when I first started RP with MMO RP in an MMO called Age of Wushu, which is essentially a chinese martial arts game. Really, though, the game's lore wasn't very limiting, and you didn't have to know much about it to fit into it, because there wasn't much of it.

    Skyrim is obviously completely different. I think I could spend my entire life trying to learn the lore and still not know everything there is to know. So...Down to the point. My character is a Khajiit named Kiahni. I chose the Khajiit even though I knew it would be challenging since their lore is not seen as often in regular gameplay, mainly because I was immediately attracted to that race. If someone truly believes I should change her race, though, I think I can manage it. I have a google docs here where I answered a bunch of questions for her (I think I found the questions on this site somewhere, actually..?) although I'm not quite finished, it's mostly done. I can always change pretty much everything here, though, since it's a complete WIP and I'd like to have an open mind.

    Basically, I'm looking for advice on how I can better fit her into the lore. After I feel happy with that, perhaps some tips on creating visually appealing screenshots for her character profile would be helpful. 

    I've toyed around a bit with the idea of amnesia, in order to bypass the whole lore problem, but I don't want to completely ignore the problem, either. Still, that idea is on the table, as well, if people think that's better.

     

    P.S. I've opened the google doc to commenting, so if you already know how to do that in google docs, feel free, but then let me know that you've commented on the forum. Otherwise, just message me here. :)

     

    EDIT: I finished V2 of the google doc. It should be viewable from the same link. I've added a completely new section and made some changes to her backstory. I kind of feel like she's created her own set of non-god and non-cultural centered beliefs, which makes sense from an objective standpoint since she was isolated so much in her early life so she wouldn't have many cultural beliefs, and her only social companion, her father, was non-religious and quite a unique man as far as his beliefs go himself, so it makes sense...But it also makes me wonder if I'm breaking lore by having all these beliefs. It's particularly noticable in the new violence section involving her rituals for the dead and pillaging...

  • January 22, 2018
    Welcome, Etch! It's so nice to see people that are really into modding here :D. It'd be nice of you to post your modlist for us to check it out! Mod away my friend
  • January 22, 2018

    0 0 Skyrim.esm
    1 1 Update.esm
    2 2 Dawnguard.esm
    3 3 HearthFires.esm
    4 4 Dragonborn.esm
    5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
    6 6 ApachiiHair.esm
    7 7 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
    8 8 Unique Flowers & Plants.esm
    9 9 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm
    10 a Nock2Tip.esm
    11 b Campfire.esm
    12 c ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
    13 d daymoyl.esm
    14 e ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
    15 f hdtHighHeel.esm
    16 10 OSA.esm
    17 11 HighResTexturePack01.esp
    18 12 HighResTexturePack02.esp
    19 13 HighResTexturePack03.esp
    20 14 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
    21 15 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
    22 16 mjhKhajiitSpeak.esp
    23 17 RealisticRoomRental.esp
    24 18 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
    25 19 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
    26 1a ArrowRecoverySystemOverhaul.esp
    27 1b immersive roads.esp
    28 1c Purity.esp
    29 1d ETaC - Complete.esp
    30 1e RealShelter.esp
    31 1f ELFX - Weathers.esp
    32 20 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged - No Map Markers.esp
    33 21 RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
    34 22 Skyrim Unbound.esp
    35 23 Point The Way.esp
    36 24 mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.esp
    37 25 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
    38 26 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
    39 27 Inconsequential NPCs.esp
    Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
    40 28 Dr_Bandolier.esp
    41 29 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
    42 2a SMIM-Merged-All.esp
    43 2b RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
    44 2c Cloaks.esp
    45 2d fallentreebridges.esp
    46 2e buildablehouse.esp
    47 2f CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp
    48 30 Character Creation Overhaul.esp
    49 31 CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp
    50 32 CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp
    51 33 CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp
    52 34 SkyUI.esp
    53 35 Hunterborn.esp
    54 36 Frostfall.esp
    55 37 Nock2Tip.esp
    56 38 CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp
    57 39 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
    58 3a CoT-WeatherPatch_NL2.esp
    59 3b CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
    60 3c ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
    61 3d ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
    62 3e CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
    63 3f ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
    64 40 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
    65 41 CMWoodenBows.esp
    66 42 Customizable Camera.esp
    67 43 SkyRealism - Mass and Materials.esp
    68 44 DeadlyMutilation.esp
    69 45 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
    70 46 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
    71 47 wizDynamicThings.esp
    72 48 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
    73 49 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
    74 4a SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp
    75 4b Facelight.esp
    76 4c 12FemaleBrows.esp
    77 4d HDT Female Hairstyles.esp
    78 4e FNISSexyMove.esp
    79 4f Footprints.esp
    80 50 FNIS.esp
    81 51 FreckleMania2.esp
    82 52 GrassOnSteroids_NaturalEdition_SFO.esp
    83 53 iHUD.esp
    84 54 Immersive Speechcraft.esp
    85 55 KJ Tattoos 2K.esp
    86 56 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
    87 57 KS Hairdo's.esp
    88 58 lanterns.esp
    89 59 LootandDegradation.esp
    90 5a AnonymousPeople.esp
    EpisodeParallax.esp
    91 5b Purewaters.esp
    92 5c RaceMenu.esp
    93 5d RaceMenuPlugin.esp
    94 5e Realistic-Voice.esp
    95 5f RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp
    96 60 SimplyKnock.esp
    97 61 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
    98 62 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
    99 63 SleepTight.esp
    100 64 Supreme Fog - CoT.esp
    101 65 TakeNotes.esp
    102 66 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
    103 67 The Ordinary Women.esp
    104 68 TKDodge.esp
    105 69 TrueStorms.esp
    106 6a TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp
    107 6b SOSRaceMenu.esp
    108 6c WondersofWeather.esp
    109 6d Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp
    110 6e Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
    111 6f StartingLoadouts.esp
    112 70 mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.esp
    113 71 mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Hearthfire.esp
    114 72 mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Inconsequential NPCs.esp
    115 73 mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Choice Is Yours.esp
    116 74 Animallica.esp
    117 75 Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp
    118 76 Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp
    119 77 Dead_Is_Dead.esp
    120 78 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
    RDO - Requiem Patch.esp
    121 79 XPMSE.esp
    Hunterborn_Requiem-Patch.esp
    122 7a SkyRealism - Capacity and Carry Weight.esp
    123 7b SkyRealism - Mass and Materials - Cloaks.esp
    SkyRealism - Mass and Materials - Dawnguard.esp
    SkyRealism - Mass and Materials - Dr_Bandolier.esp
    SkyRealism - Mass and Materials - Hearthfires.esp
    SkyRealism - Mass and Materials - MorrowindArmor.esp
    124 7c 1nivWICCloaks.esp
    SkyRealism - Mass and Materials - 1nivWICCloaks.esp
    1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
    125 7d Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
    126 7e SkyRealism - Encumbrance.esp
    127 7f SkyRealism - Time and Travel.esp
    Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
    128 80 daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
    Salmon Shack - LAL.esp
    129 81 FishingInSkyrim.esp
    130 82 mjhImprovedRaces.esp
    131 83 yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp
    132 84 iNeed.esp
    133 85 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
    134 86 mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - iNeed.esp
    mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Alternate Start.esp
    135 87 ELFXEnhancer.esp
    136 88 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
    137 89 RSPatch.esp

     

    There ya'll go. :)

     

    Edit: I didn't realize how many mods I have. O.o

  • Member
    January 22, 2018
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  • Member
    January 22, 2018

    I've just been through your Goog doc, Etch. I haven't left a comment mainly because I think you should consider uploading what you have there into an RP profiile :) Just add an image or two and I think you'd be set. I know you're after tips on taking appealing screenshots, but I think for me what matters is that you're able to capture Kiahni as you played her. Like, if you're happy with how the screenshot comes out then that's all that matters. That said, Soly has a nice tutorial on post-processing using paint.net that may help, plus the Art Group has talented folks if you needed further support :)

    In truth, making something as lore-accurate as possible can be a rabbit-hole best avoided. For example, you've said:

    "Her parents were searching for a fresh start after realizing their life in Elsweyr had turned sour.

    As of  4E 201 Elsweyr is an anachronism, so natives are perhaps more likely to refer to the regions they are from as Anequina or Pellitine, depending on from which they came. While it may help to go into more detail about why they left, maybe connecting that with a lack of faith in Aldmeri Dominion governance or maybe feeling as though they have seen through the lies of the Thalmor about their Void Night claims, it can raise more questions than it answers. Especially if the character herself doesn't know - as you say, she was an infant at the time :)

  • January 22, 2018

    @Chris

    Thanks, I do appreciate the help. :)

     

    @Paws

    Thank you for taking the time out of your day to look at this. ^.^ Thank you for the tips on the screenshots, although I don't really understand what you said about the lore. Could you maybe dumb it down for me. >.< I'm still very unfamiliar with the lore.

    For example, define all of these: Anequina, Pellitine, Aldmeri Dominion, Thalmor (Isn't that one of the elf races..?), and Void Night.

  • Member
    January 22, 2018

    Etch said:

    @Paws

    Thank you for taking the time out of your day to look at this. ^.^ Thank you for the tips on the screenshots, although I don't really understand what you said about the lore. Could you maybe dumb it down for me. >.< I'm still very unfamiliar with the lore.

    For example, define all of these: Anequina, Pellitine, Aldmeri Dominion, Thalmor (Isn't that one of the elf races..?), and Void Night.

    Sure :)

    So, after the Oblivion Crisis (which was 201 years before the date in which TES V Skyrim is set) Elsweyr split from the Empire. About 85 years before the current date, something called the Void Nights happened - the Masser and Secunda moons vanished from the night skies. For the Khajiit whose fur-stock (or subrace) is determined by the moons, this was a hugely scary time. Not much info is available on that period, which is why I say getting details 100% right can be more trouble than it's worth, but it could be argued that it crippled the Khajiiti race. No children born for two years, terrible stuff like that.

    The Thalmor are the governing body of the Aldmeri Dominion, the political party which came to power in the Summerset Isles (now known as Alinor), home of the High Elven Altmer people, following the Oblivion Crisis. They claimed to have ended the Void Nights using "dawn magic" and, by that action, bought the support of the cat-folk. Now Anequina (the Northern state of what once was Elsweyr) and Pellitine (the Southern state) are client-states of the Dominion.

    The questions these things raise are often open to interpretation. How much freedom do the rulers of these two states have? Are they puppets of their Altmeri overlords, or do the Thalmor governers give them autonomy provided the cats support their armies and provide fiscal support? Were the Void Nights a cruel eugenics experiment that some among the Khajiit know the truth of, or did the Thalmor legit save the day as they are so often conveniently able to do? Interpretation of those things is largely on us :)

  • January 22, 2018

    Note: Paws here is a lot more knowledgeable than me regarding Lore, (and I just noticed that he's left a comment so he probably explained it better) but I figured I'd drop in because it's a fun set of questions.

    Anequina and Pellitine are essentially two different states/holds of Elesyr, though at different points they've been separate kingdoms, or combined into the singular province of Eleswyr.  

    Aldmeri Dominion, again something that can be a lot deeper, but really it's an alliance between the Khajiit, Altmer, and Bosmer. Though really it's debatable how much power/control either the Bosmer or Khajiit have in the Dominion, because from what we've seen it's mostly focused on the Altmer having power over the other two.

    The Thalmor are super complicated... Again Paws has a better explanation but think of them as an extremist group of the High Elves (Altmer) that managed to rise to power and essentially become one of the strongest powers in the known world. They have an end goal of destroying all men, for various complicated reasons.

    Urgh, the Void Nights...I don't have a great way to simplify this because I think it's the most complicated of the four. Right, so at some point after the Oblivion Crisis (so 100-200 years before Skyrim), the Khajiit percieved the moons to have disappeared from the sky. Now the moons and their movements are crucial to the Khajiit as race, so this kind of screwed with the birth of children, their entire culture, their religion, everything. Essentially, the entire race was massively armed during the 'Void Nights'. Then the Thalmor come along, 'fix' the Moons (or claim to) and then this indebts the Khajiit to the Thalmor. 

     

  • January 23, 2018

     

    So I had a supermassive message that I was going to drop (nearly hitting the 500-word mark) but I figured it'd be more efficient to just ask you a quick question. What exactly is the Google Doc? Is it just a tool to help you plan your character, or is this more or less what you see the build itself being at the end. I only ask because those would trigger two very different responses, because generally speaking a build is pretty heavy on the Gameplay, so at the moment this would just fit better as a Roleplaying Profile than a Build. 

    If you are planning on bringing stuff in, and this is just the character, then I might as well re-structure my thoughts because at first I assumed this was the build (just incomplete).

     

    Anyway, I'll just say for now that the character was fascinating to me, an awesomely detailed character that had a lot of...well character to her, and felt pretty real to me (like I could see her being present in a story). Which is absolutely great, and I would love to see more of her.

  • Member
    January 23, 2018

    Welcome to the Vault Etch, good luck with your build, and never be afraid to ask for help from any of us.