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• Aspect-Emperor

  

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  March 6, 2015 5:11 PM EST

  Or, for that matter, where is Shor at all in Sovngarde? Additionally, what connection, directly, or perhaps indirectly, does the Last Dragonborn have to Akatosh himself, since the Amulet of Kings was shattered?

• Borommakot

  

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  March 6, 2015 5:38 PM EST

  I'm quite curious about the Shor thing, myself.

• Borommakot

  

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  March 6, 2015 5:38 PM EST

  Although with Kyne being "Shor's Widow" and Shor being Lorkhan, he may just not be there because he's dead.

• Aspect-Emperor

  

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  March 6, 2015 5:52 PM EST

  ["he may just not be there because he's dead."]
  
  Interesting observation. The question would then be: why would any Nord want to die and go to Sovngarde if the lord of that realm is dead? It also raises the question of Alduin's legitimacy as the true lord of that realm. According to Paarthurnax, Alduin claimed lordship as the chief agent of Akatosh. But I have never seen Alduin take the form of a humanoid to sit on that throne in the Hall of Valor.

• Borommakot

  

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  March 6, 2015 5:57 PM EST

  Alduin claimed Lordship of Sovngarde? I hadn't heard that. But regarding the first question, none of the Nords who are there seem to have a problem with it. Shor presumably made Sovngarde the 'paradise' it is, and so he doesn't have to be there to maintain it. Would have been nice if he could be there to defend it, but I doubt most daedra/divines count on their realms being invaded by dragons-of-the-end-times.

• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 6, 2015 6:09 PM EST

  He's probably yelling at Auriel for letting his dog run wild. That's what I'd do, and I'm Shor.
• Aspect-Emperor

  

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  March 6, 2015 6:16 PM EST

  I think the implication is that he's actually the lord of Sovngarde, if you believe Shor = Lorkhan = Akatosh. If Akatosh is a Dragon Aspect, then Alduin makes a compelling case that he is the god of the Nords.

• Borommakot

  

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  March 6, 2015 6:20 PM EST

  Where is Lorkhan equated with Akatosh? I'm pretty sure they're completely separate entities...

• Mannimarco

  

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  March 6, 2015 6:31 PM EST

  Leave Auriel Alone!

• Albino

  

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  March 6, 2015 7:24 PM EST

  According to one of the generic Hero of Sovngarde lines: "Shor's high seat stands empty; his mien is too bright for mortal eyes." Also, to answer Boro's question, some theorize they are connected; see the below image.

  

• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 6, 2015 7:31 PM EST

  Can we apply occam's razor to this? It seems too complicated to be legit.
• Albino

  

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  March 6, 2015 7:34 PM EST

  Not really, Occam's Razor doesn't mean that complicated explanations are usually wrong, and TES is known for its intricate and complex lore anyway.

• Borommakot

  

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  March 6, 2015 7:44 PM EST

  And wouldn't that be just like TES.

• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 6, 2015 7:52 PM EST

  It's overly complicated is the thing. It's like they're grabbing. I don't know, but this gets under my skin for some reason.
• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 6, 2015 8:08 PM EST

  No. The guy's a chump.
• Tom

  

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  March 7, 2015 1:35 AM EST

  I'm starting to get annoyed with all these great discussions that should be in the Lore Group appearing in the general forums. Stop it.

  Towards the subject, my thought is the Shezzarine. Shor was killed at Convention, his heart torn asunder and dispelled (later physically destroyed but not erased from Nirn), and his body made into the moons. All that's left is Shor's spirit, and we know his spirit manifests itself throughout history as great heroes (or villains) collectively called Shezzarine.

  We've got a Shezzarine adrift in the 4th Era.

• Borommakot

  

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  March 7, 2015 1:39 AM EST

  So is the throne for the Shezzarine, or is it just symbolic (considering the throne is in Sovngarde and assuming Sovngarde is in the moon and assuming the moon is Shor's body)?
• Tom

  

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  March 7, 2015 1:51 AM EST

  No. Sovngarde holds the souls of the dead. Shor's soul is missing.

  There's a Shezzarine somewhere in Tamriel around the time of 4E 201.

  I can get into the Sovngarde being in the moon thing, but it makes no difference where Sovngarde is located. We're talking about Shor being missing from his own hall.

• Paws

  

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  March 7, 2015 3:26 AM EST

  I'm starting to get annoyed with all these great discussions that should be in the Lore Group appearing in the general forums. Stop it.

  Seconded.

• MidoTheCigar

  

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  March 7, 2015 5:12 AM EST

  What if shor made a deal with alduin

• Daniel Jones

  

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  March 7, 2015 5:23 AM EST

  Foolish Nord doesn't understand the grandeur of The elven gods
• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 7, 2015 9:30 AM EST

  The elves and their corrupt ancestor worship can go elf themselves. 

• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 7, 2015 9:30 AM EST

  Like, if Lorkhan is Auriel, why did he go to war against himself? 

• Deleted Member

  
   

  March 7, 2015 9:32 AM EST

  Not that I believe Shezzarrines exist, but....

  

• Daniel Jones

  

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  March 7, 2015 9:34 AM EST

  And this is why the Thalmor are headed in the right direction